1st runner-up = 3rd place

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	Vincent Teo  #535092  Tue, 01 Jul 08 01:02 PM Are they same in meaning? 1st runner-up = 3rd place 2nd runner-up = 2nd place    Vincent Teo Joined on Sat, Mar 31 2007 Senior Member (4,122)

	bluemagiceye59  #535094  Tue, 01 Jul 08 01:05 PM correct me if i'm wrong anybody, but i'm pretty sure that... 2nd place = 1st runner up 3rd place = 2nd runner up you have them backwards    bluemagiceye59 Joined on Mon, Jun 30 2008 New Member (05)

	Vincent Teo  #535442  Tue, 01 Jul 08 11:00 PM Anyone can give me comment?    Vincent Teo

	New2grammar  #535444  Tue, 01 Jul 08 11:02 PM This thing always confuses me too. It doesn't make sense right? To answer you question, I agree with bluemagic.    New2grammar Joined on Tue, Nov 21 2006 Veteran Member (7,676) Who wants to go sailing around the world with me?

	nona the brit  #535485  Tue, 01 Jul 08 11:52 PM Think of it as 'the first runner-up to pass the finish line' = 2nd place 'the 2nd runner-up to pass the finish line' = 3rd place and so on    nona the brit Joined on Wed, Sep 22 2004 England Veteran Member (11,495) The name says it all.

	New2grammar  #535486  Tue, 01 Jul 08 11:53 PM Nona, Why is the first runner up not the first place? I think the secret lies in the meaning of runner up. What's that?    New2grammar

	Vincent Teo  #535635  Wed, 02 Jul 08 10:04 AM I also want to know the reason..    Vincent Teo

	Marius Hancu  #535642  Wed, 02 Jul 08 10:18 AM   Guys, do your homework and use your dictionaries, it's there:   runner up http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/runner%20up    Marius Hancu Joined on Wed, Apr 26 2006 Montreal, Canada Veteran Member (11,673)

	New2grammar  #535644  Wed, 02 Jul 08 10:22 AM I'm sorry. Actually I wanted to learn its origin. I know the meaning of the phrase or I wouldn't have answered the post. Sorry for the confusion.    New2grammar