Mcaleck  +  178875 Wed, 04 Jan 06 11:25 AM Hi everyone, I'm looking for two words/expressions I've searched for high and low but haven't been able to find. Actually I'm not even sure they exist in English. Can you please help? 1. in long distance running there's supposed to be a point when the runner does not feel tired anymore, and just goes on like a machine. what do you call that point? 2. in business, esp. here in Hungary where I'm from, it is pretty common in the construction industry that one company (claims it) cannot pay the money it owes its subcontractors, because itself is owed by its main contractors, which makes it impossible for them to pay. In Hungarian it's called something like "chain debt." Mcaleck Joined on Mon, Jul 11 2005 New Member 21 Constructions

	My2sense  +  178907 Wed, 04 Jan 06 01:01 PM  Mcaleck wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking for two words/expressions I've searched for high and low but haven't been able to find. Actually I'm not even sure they exist in English. Can you please help? 1. in long distance running there's supposed to be a point when the runner does not feel tired anymore, and just goes on like a machine. what do you call that point?    I believe  second wind/ ( runner's high ) My2sense Joined on Sun, Nov 13 2005 europe Full Member 154

	Danyoo  +  180899 Tue, 10 Jan 06 12:30 AM I think you are referring to the release of endorphins. http://www.healingsprings.com/ENDORPHINS.htm In contrast to short-intensity workouts like sprinting or weightlifting, prolonged, continuous exercise like running, long-distance swimming, aerobics, cycling or cross-country skiing appears to contribute to an increased production and release of endorphins. This results in a sense of euphoria that has been popularly labeled the "runner's high." It also may contribute to what some athletes call a "second wind." Rather than feeling pain and exhaustion while running, endorphins may help us actually feel limber and energized towards the end of a race. According to William Straw, M.D., a team physician for the San Jose Sharks, "at some point you may feel a little more energetic and you can kick-in when you did not feel like you could kick-in before." Danyoo Joined on Fri, Nov 11 2005 Chicago, USA Regular Member 558 To err is human, to forgive divine. 잘못을 저지르는 것은 인간이지만 용서할수있는 것은 하늘과 같은것.

	Mcaleck  +  186664 Sat, 21 Jan 06 10:08 AM Thanks, Danyoo, I believe I've heard "runner's high" before, but i wasn't sure if its was standard usage. Thankie Mcaleck