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Clive  #490251  Tue, 18 Mar 08 12:16 PM

Hi,

consider the folllowing

'He was friends with two American Presidents, Kennedy,  Nixon, & a British Prime ministre Tony Bliar.

Is the above sentence structure is right? You need a little editting on the end part.

He was friends with two American Presidents, Kennedy,  Nixon, and a British Prime minister, Tony Blair.

This is correct grammar, but it says that he was friends with five people. Is that what you mean to say?

The sentence also suggests that Kennedy and Nixon were not American Presidents, which sounds odds since there were in fact Presidents with these names.Smile

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Creativeguru  #490263  Tue, 18 Mar 08 12:28 PM

No I didnt mean to say he was friends with five but indeed my sentence sounds like that because of improper punctuation marks

How is the following sentence

He was friends with two American Presidents Kennedy and Nixon, and  a British Prime minister, Tony Blair

Now is it proper I want to say he is friends with three.

  
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Grammar Geek  #490284  Tue, 18 Mar 08 02:09 PM

You need to be more clear.

He was friends with two American presidents, Kennedy and Nixon, and with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Check your use of capitals, as well.

He was friends with the American President Kennedy and President Nixon, and with ...

 

  
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Clive  #490308  Tue, 18 Mar 08 03:57 PM

Hi,

He was friends with two American Presidents Kennedy and Nixon, and  a British Prime minister, Tony Blair

To be absolutely correct in grammar and in meaning, I would say it this way. This clearly means three people.

He was friends with American Presidents Kennedy and Nixon, and with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Here, I am using 'Presidents' and 'Prime Minister' as titles, not as nouns in apposition.

Clive

  
Creativeguru  #490343  Tue, 18 Mar 08 05:47 PM

Thanks a lot Clive and Grammar Geek

  
Akavall  #490480  Wed, 19 Mar 08 02:59 AM

Hi Clive,

 'I bought apples, pears and oranges'

Yes, I doubt anybody would think that pears and oranges comprise apples, but are there any disadvantages to putting a comma before and?

  
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Clive  #490489  Wed, 19 Mar 08 04:04 AM

Hi,

 'I bought apples, pears and oranges'

Yes, I doubt anybody would think that pears and oranges comprise apples, but are there any disadvantages to putting a comma before and?  No, I can't think of any except that you are adding unnecessary clutter to the sentence. However, I would never put a comma there in this sentence.

In truth, I was taught never to use such a comma, so it looks odd to me. A comma represents a pause, and the word 'and' itself acts as a pause, ie the word 'and' slows the reader's mind and eye down when looking at the sentence. So if you put both a comma and the word 'and', it seems to me that you are using two consecutive pauses.

The first time in my life that I even encountered any suggestion that one might put a comma there was just a couple of years ago when I started reading this Forum. So, please don't get the idea that every English writer uses such commas.Smile

Best wishes, Clive

  
Akavall  #490752  Wed, 19 Mar 08 06:47 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Clive,

 

Clive
The first time in my life that I even encountered any suggestion that one might put a comma there was just a couple of years ago when I started reading this Forum.

The first time for me was only couple of months ago, when decided to learn more about grammar. I think I'll stay away from using serial comma in obvious cases.

  
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