A sentence from Salinger

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milky  #415373  Fri, 07 Sep 07 09:40 AM
 MrPedantic wrote:

4. If #1 and #2 are both true, #3 is necessarily true. 

5. If #2 and #3 are both true, #1 is not necessarily true.

Do statements #4 and #5 seem reasonable, to you?

MrP

They seem reasonable enough, but let's talk about cotext, context and the protagonist of Salinger's novel. Why do you think he said what he said in the way that he said it?

  
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MrPedantic  #415792  Sat, 08 Sep 07 11:28 AM

context and the protagonist of Salinger's novel

From the context, we can infer the intended meaning; but my original post relates to the literal meaning.

1. I was probably the only normal *** in the whole place – and that isn't saying much.   

As I said in the thread in your original link, I have no doubt that the speaker in #1 meant to imply that he was only "normal" by comparison with the other people there.


They seem reasonable enough

If statements #4 and #5 are reasonable, then these statements presumably have different implications:

A: P is the only tall person in Room 101.

B: P is the tallest person in Room 101.

Does that also seem reasonable to you?

MrP

  
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milky  #416298  Sun, 09 Sep 07 01:49 PM

<As I said in the thread in your original link, I have no doubt that the speaker in #1 meant to imply that he was only "normal" by comparison with the other people there.>

So, do you think it was Salinger who messed up on your idea of the literal meaning, or did Salinger intend to say something about the character by putting it in the way he did?

  
Maya2  #416619  Mon, 10 Sep 07 10:17 AM
 MrPedantic wrote:

I was probably the only normal b'stard in the whole place – and that isn't saying much.   

[from The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger]

Q: Why isn't it "saying much", to say "I was probably the only normal b'stard in the whole place"?

A: —

What answer would you give to this question?

MrP

My 2 cents':

Q: I was the only normal *** in that place, but it isn't saying much.

Saying much about what? About how many normal ***s there are in the Universe?

A1: -- (I know I'm a normal ***)

A2: Because I still do not know if all ***s are abnormal in the Universe and I am the only normal ***.

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Q: I'm the tallest in that place, but it is not saying much.

A1: Because I do not know if I'm tall.

A2: Because I do not know if I'm the tallest man in the Universe.

  
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MrPedantic  #430390  Sat, 13 Oct 07 01:15 PM
 Milky wrote:

So, do you think it was Salinger who messed up on your idea of the literal meaning, or did Salinger intend to say something about the character by putting it in the way he did?

On the one hand, it's not unknown for well known writers to make mistakes.

On the other, to propose that Salinger intended to say something about the character by "messing up" the idiom is to accept that the idiom is "messed up" in the first place.

So either interpretation suits me.

MrP

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PS: The link provided by Milky on the first page no longer works. Here's an updated version.

  
milky  #430401  Sat, 13 Oct 07 01:39 PM
 MrPedantic wrote:
 Milky wrote:

So, do you think it was Salinger who messed up on your idea of the literal meaning, or did Salinger intend to say something about the character by putting it in the way he did?

On the other, to propose that Salinger intended to say something about the character by "messing up" the idiom is to accept that the idiom is "messed up" in the first place.

So either interpretation suits me.

MrP

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Case closed, then...we hope. Big Smile [:D]

  
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