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nona the brit
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Thu, 05 Jan 06 11:36 AM
True in that if we didn't have a sex drive more than once or twice a year it wouldn't be a problem. However, we do (men AND women) so that is not really the point is it?
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Passionate_freak
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Thu, 05 Jan 06 12:33 PM
Well,
True in that if we didn't have a sex drive more than once or twice a year it wouldn't be a problem. However, we do (men AND women) so that is not really the point is it?
I agree the point can't agree with Mr/Ms. anonymous so far. I don't beleive in what you beleive in Darwin kind of stuffs. Sperm can lead to the life but it's the exact form of life so contraceptives are only which can prevent the births and it is far more better than the abortion !
Well, about killing the rapist, if the laborotary examination prooves it then he must be killed, cut the penis and put the salt, this'd be only the punishment !!!
And which part you belong Anonymous that you seem to agree with the statement-women are the stuffs and they are for entertainment- well is it the thing so called science taught you in this modern age ??? You are the most savage human I've ever witnessed in my life !!! And please learn to respect the females from whom you happened to known to the earth.
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Sheilav
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Fri, 06 Jan 06 03:05 AM
Good day Lazarus. Correct me if I am wrong, in your answer to my postcripts you mentioned I am a bit arrogant, ludicrous and indecent- isn't those statements judgemental? I have placed caps on some statements and you misinterpreted these as shouting statements. I reasoned for natural consequences of the act of sex, such as pregnancy and stds and you equate these two to be equal. Stds do occur because of multiple sexual partners and pregnancy occurs naturally because of having sex between a male and female when their sexual organs are mature. Am I being indecent in this aspect? Well I leave it to your own and others judgement on this. You have claimed I reason in the light of my religion, well, religions of the world taught many people of the ages the good things although at times they have been wrong in some aspects and from these we know between right and wrong. How will one know what is right and wrong? Wouldn't we consult the wisdom of the ages to help us judge on the problems of the present day? Or we start again to a time when men haven't had any clothing to cover their bodies? and start all over again in time. Wouldn't we acquire the same knowledge through their experiences? I also reasoned you with science but you chose to see these in light of religion. How then will you know right from wrong in the issue of abortion? If you only take the side of giving an absolute freedom of the mother and disregard the existence of another being in the womb of the mother.
Many believe in the absolute freedom of the mother of the unborn, unwanted child in the womb. But can we believe in the right and freedom to live and award these to the child also? We give rights to animals-dogs,cats and other pets. Can we give a right to a human fertilized egg? Who can be later, a useful individual in this world(if he chose to) and find his own place in the world of men.
To Nona the Brit: Can you please give a real number of the abortions being undertaken even in your own locality? Also, I hope you can also share why these women have decided to have an abortion? You were right to say that doing abortions may be few and these cannot wipe out the human race. But if we value life and respect it to the fullest, abortion should never be allowed in the first place as life is given only once and only once... and there is no exception. Give life a chance.
I have a story to share about my cousin, Vely. She was 15 years older than me. She married a man who worked at a logging company. They had three children. Vely is a plain housewife. My mother sent her to a vocational course in dressmaking, but because she had no sewing machine, she chose to stay at home. I heard from my mother that she had had other pregnancies -three maybe, for which she had intentionally aborted (illegal in our country) because of the fact that they are poor and the husband's salary cannot sustain the family's needs. In time, she became depressed and she would hear the cries of these unborn children and when she had a stroke paralyzing her half body, she chose to die. She refused to stay alive and died of Pneumonia. She never forgave herself for the act of intentional abortion. And from her story, I am sad to understand how many lives were wasted--the mother and the unborn children. She haven't realized that there are other ways in solving her problem and abortion is not the only way out. And maybe that is why I am so ardous in this issue.
To the pro abortionists: Please provide me with the information on why women would go to aboriton clinics and can you show your views regarding the right of the unborn child.
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nona the brit
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Fri, 06 Jan 06 09:15 AM
Keep your cool debating heads on here guys.
This is an issue where none of us is actually going to change someone's mind about whether it is right or wrong - it is one of those issues where all the arguments basically just come down to your gut feeling 'this is ok' or 'this is wrong'. Debate the issues but don't get too emotionally involved in this discussion with each other, ok?
The UK situation:
In England, Wales and Scotland abortion is legal under 24 weeks of pregnancy if two doctors agree that it is necessary for one of the following reasons:
- having the baby would harm the woman's mental or physical health more than having the abortion.
- having the baby would harm the mental or physical health of any children she already has.
An abortion is also legal at any time in pregnancy if two doctors agree that:
- the abortion is necessary to save the woman's life or prevent serious permanent harm to her mental or physical health, or
there is a high risk that the baby would be seriously handicapped.
Note that the stage of pregnancy is calculated from the first day of the woman's last period.
The total number of abortions carried out in England and Wales in 2004 was 185,400 compared to 181,600 in 2003 - an overall increase of 2.1 per cent.
One comment on this from information site for young people:
There is no evidence that women are opting to use abortion as a form of contraception. The vast majority of women requesting abortion have tried and failed to use contraception effectively. No 100% safe method of contraception is yet available, so for women who are sexually active and become pregnant, but do not want to have children at this point in their lives, abortion sometimes seems like the best option.
What the 2004 statistics show is a continuation of a gradual increase in abortion numbers year on year. It is likely that the increase is down to two key factors:
- A desire by many women to have fewer children
- A desire by many women to delay childbirth until later in life
The statistics suggest that people in England and Wales continue to be sexually active regardless of their marital status or desire for children, and many see abortion as a useful last resort for those unable to contemplate pregnancy, childbirth and parenting at a particular moment in their lives.
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Passionate_freak
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Sun, 08 Jan 06 07:23 AM
Well Nona,
Thanks for the information.
Well, whatever the rules made by the human is just to prove the life easier and it can't still be supporing to the nature !!!
Regards
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Lazarus
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Sun, 08 Jan 06 06:07 PM
 Sheilav wrote: |
To the pro abortionists: Please provide me with the information on
why women would go to aboriton clinics and can you show your views
regarding the right of the unborn child. |
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Sheilav--
I do appreciate you attempting to respond to individual points I made earlier. I'll just say a few things.
I think your beliefs require the world to follow suit. You don't
just believe what you believe for yourself; you have a hope and
expectation that the rest of the world will follow along. I don't
see that reasonable on any level, and I don't want people with what I
see as narrow belief systems like your own setting up legislation for
the rest of us.
I said that I find your earlier comments indecent, particularly
in regard to rapists. I do think you're arrogant, though, and
your notion of what is scientific is ludicrous to me. Others can
decide for themselves if they see you as indecent.
Caps mean shouting on the internet, Sheilav...this isn't something I made up or misinterpreted. It does means shouting.
Do you really believe (speaking of being judgmental) that any sane
individuals are "pro" abortion?! You have a scathing edge to your
writing that you should be more aware of if you expect others to
consider your views. Normal people, even those who believe in
choice on this matter, are not "pro" abortion. Unfortunately, I
think your views run parallel to many others who are likeminded: you
espouse the virtues of preserving every fetus, but your "compassion"
runs pretty dry after that.
Also, the title of this thread is "Abortion - Do we really have a
right?" I think that termination for medical reasons fits under
that heading, and I think it's a perspective you have still avoided for
the most part. It may be a hard angle to refute, but it's still
important.
Lazarus
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Thank you very much Nona the Brit for the information on why women go to abortion clinics although these reasons were not individually tackled. And are these reasons really acceptable to the whole world?
I think Lazarus you write too personally. You try to demean me by saying those words- the new word you have attached to me is narrowminded. Haven't I discussed everything from the origin of the universe, the earth and the fertilized egg? And you call me narrowminded? Isn't it that you are the one who is narrowminded because you do not give the right to an unborn child and give full, boundless freedom to the mother who is not ready to have a baby, mentally, emotionally and physically?But I am not really touched. If you don't like the way I write then I don't like the way you write also. I have joined the forum to express my views and if in my writing I can influence you or other pro-abortionist then I will be successful. In my view, the statement here is regarding UNCOMPLICATED PREGNANCIES (if I put these in caps, it means I am emphasizing it) in which medical intervention is not necessary to save either the mother and/or the baby. That is, I am speaking of a fully healthy baby/fertilized egg in the womb of the mother. I hope you read my past post in which I have mentioned that it is conclusive that the mother should accept the fate of an abortion if it is not safe for the mother or there are other medical indications for the abortion. I hope you will learn to listen to reasons of others other your own and be reasonable. Or are you only interested to hear in what you want to hear and disregard what don't like?
I work in a hospital. Just recently I have witnessed the death of a mother and her baby. The family lived in a far flung area some 20kilometers from the nearest Health Center. It was their second baby, the mother opted to have the child delivered at home because they have no money for the transportation, although the presentation was Breech Footling and the local midwife tried to assist her, however, the baby could not be delivered. It took them six long hours to go to the nearest primary hospital and the baby, now dead, was finally delivered but the doctor hadn't forseen that at this time, the uterus is continuously bleeding and because of the pushing done on the abdomen, the uterus had a tear. The mother was immediately rushed to a tertiary hospital, but too late. She died while transporting. I feel a sad plight for the mother and baby. There were consequences and decisions which were done by both the mother and doctor which brought them to their demise. That is why I hope that in these discussions those are in the dark as to the decision to have an abortion or not. I hope they will be enlightened even by my passionate writing. It is their choice to believe or not. I do not have to power to change choice but I believe I can influence them.
I'm sorry for those who take life for granted by allowing intentional abortion of healthy fertilized eggs/fetuses. You don't respect life. I do not know if you respect your own.So, how do you respect your own life on this planet Earth? If anybody thinks that the earth is overly populated there are many planets around us. And because we are a superior species, we can live on other planets if the earth will be totally covered by houses of human settlements. WHY WORRY?
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nona the brit
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Wed, 11 Jan 06 07:39 AM
"If anybody thinks that the earth is overly populated there are many planets around us. And because we are a superior species, we can live on other planets if the earth will be totally covered by houses of human settlements."
Um, what a sensible suggestion to the problems of overpopulation.
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Lazarus
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Wed, 11 Jan 06 11:12 PM
| Nona The Brit wrote: | "If anybody thinks that the earth is
overly populated there are many planets around us. And because we are a
superior species, we can live on other planets if the earth will be
totally covered by houses of human settlements."
Um, what a sensible suggestion to the problems of overpopulation. |
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Agreed, Nona.
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