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anon1  +  67533 Fri, 14 Jan 05 03:30 AM
All,

Would you change your views or opinions if the fetus was the result of incest or rape? And if your answer does change, why?
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David  +  67572 Fri, 14 Jan 05 08:59 AM
Tough one Mountainhiker but in my opinion the unborn child is in no way guilty. Even though the mother has been done a hideous wrong this does not justify terminating life. I say this knowing the suffering a monstrous act has caused and realize the unberable decisions the victim must make.
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anon1  +  67625 Fri, 14 Jan 05 03:46 PM
David, I am keeping my views to myself. But often people rethink or change their views when thinking about a violent crime such as rape or incest. I just thought I would throw the thought out there to see if others had a different response.
matthewg  +  67662 Fri, 14 Jan 05 07:01 PM
My religious beliefs are separate to my morals. I am not a Bible-basher, nor am I sewn into the hem of the village priest's cassock, if that's what my stand seems to suggest. I believe that abortion is wrong, but I do know that there are people who believe that it's not wrong. As long as these people retain their mentality, there will be a demand for abortion, and I cannot change that. It's easy to draw parallels with the Prohibition in America, for example. The Prohibition ended up creating more problems than it sought to solve, the rise of the Mafia included. But slowly a lot of people are realising: legalising abortion creates more problems than it seeks to solve. A few decades ago, when the pro-abortion campaign was in full-swing, a main message was that legalising abortion would solve the problem with backstreet abortions which endanger the life of a mother. Recently, the people who were at the forefront of the campaign have admitted that they faked many of the death rates to scare people into speedy legislation. Some of these people have even changed their stance, and there were some articles about them in the British papers recently.

Legislation did not solve the problem of backstreet abortions. Illegal abortions are still being conducted on women who are past the 24-week gestation limit. Also, It is legal to chop an 18-week old baby to pieces inside the mother's womb in America, England, and many other countries. Through science, we know that at this stage a baby has internal organs, lungs, a spinal cord, and a nervous system. It's entire body is sensitive to touch. The digestive system is complete. The heart beats regularly and it has it's own blood type which may be completely different to it's mother. It can suck it's thumb. It moves and feels pain. Four hundred (legal) late abortions per day are carried out in the US, and eighty in the UK.

You have to bear in mind that [Britain is a] very secular country so we deal mainly in science rather than religion or emotion when it comes to such matters. Of course our attitude differs from America with its 'religious right'. This does not make us amoral.


Morality has told you that killing a baby is wrong, now science is telling you.

On an American TV show, Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson, MD and Co-Founder of National Abortion Right Action League, and also director of the America's largest abortion clinic for 2 years, spoke about this. He is ultimately responsible for 75,000 abortions. "But over the past 10 years, I've changed my mind on the acceptability of abortions, owing to the immense technological advances which have been made in the field of obstetrics and fetology, Advances such as ultra sound imaging, fetal heart monitoring, and fetoscophy which have allowed us now to perceive, without question, the unmistakable humanity of the unborn child."

Don't accidentally get a woman pregnant then. Others may not share those beliefs so why should you be able to influence their decision?


Stick my head in the sand, in other words. People make a fundamental mistake when they use the use the expression 'I have a right to an opinion.' There's no such thing as a right to an opinion. What you do have is a duty to listen to other peoples' opinions, and a right to express your opinion responsibly.

What does euphemism have to do with abortion or morality?


Amorality is present in some institutions in both countries: in America a lot of euphemism is used to detatch people from reality. The British Pregnancy Advisory Service is more outgoing with its statements. Ann Furedi, the service’s chief executive, even had the gall to say that it is "morally reprehensible" to deny a woman an abortion.

To quote Paul Tully, from the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, "Now abortion promoters are trying to justify the promotion of illegal overseas abortion by claiming that abortion tourism is not illegal. They have taken some trouble to make sure the service was available, they just failed to check whether it was lawful. This is hypocrisy on hypocrisy.

“They appear to have no moral sense and no sense of how disgraceful their excuses appear to other people.

“The question many will ask is: do BPAS and the Spanish abortionists care at all about the women involved? Late-term abortions are known to be a high risk for the mother. Yet no one appears to be taking responsibility for aftercare.”

Quoting from the Times Online:

"[BPAS] carries out around 2,000 abortions at between 20 to 24 weeks’ gestation each year, the majority of all abortions at that stage. In July Professor Stuart Campbell’s publication of 3-D moving images of a 12-week-old foetus prompted a surge of support among MPs for a review of the current 24-week limit, which was reduced from 28 weeks in 1990."
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nona the brit  +  68142 Mon, 17 Jan 05 08:50 AM
Ok, thanks for clarifying some of your views. We are perhaps not so far apart as we might think, I said in one of my earlier posts that I consider late abortions a different matter to early ones. The problem I have with 'pro-lifers' is that they seem to lump everything together. Although there is the issue of whether or not it is right to end this potential/life, which happens at all stages, the actual effect on the foetus is quite different at different stages.

I too share your distaste for late abortions. However, I have no distaste for early ones as I do not consider a blob of cells as a baby, nor does it have any central nervous system etc etc. The vast majority of abortions are carried out at this stage, so the 'suffering baby' arguments are irrelevant there.

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David  +  68147 Mon, 17 Jan 05 09:21 AM
Dear Nona I do not think too many people desirous of having a baby with no success would be happy with your description of conception. You are fully entitled to your beliefs but please remember many see abortion in a very different light. To many Christians a new life has been started and should in no way be interfered with.
nona the brit  +  68236 Mon, 17 Jan 05 09:06 PM
Ok, but I can't see that describing a newly conceived foetus as a blob of cells is offensive to anyone. Look through a microscope and that is what you see. Whether or not that blob of cells is an individual life with a soul or not is another issue.

And where does the 'not stopping life' idea end? Catholics and some evangelical Christian groups ban contraception on these grounds, which is fine for them, but should they be able to prevent others from using it (i.e. Bush's removal of all funding from foreign aid programmes that give contraceptive advice since 2001).
David  +  68353 Tue, 18 Jan 05 10:28 AM
All of us have a free will Nona to choose what we do. Christians may suggest and have a different viewpoint but they do not force their will on anyone. What some do is not what all do. This even though one may have pretty strong views about what constitutes the creation of life and what should be treated with the utmost respect.
anita_a  +  76675 Sat, 26 Feb 05 02:55 AM
every girl or woman has a right to decide whether or not she wants the 'unexpected' pregnancy.It is better to abort the foetus than abandon the baby after birth.every one has their proirities in life and everyone should be given a chance to decide for their life. Though I agree that 'prevention is better than cure' and so all girls should do is be careful
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