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manou
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Thu, 19 May 05 10:40 AM
> And if she takes that baby's life, she's even worse than the rapest.
How can you be so insensitive? Seriously, imagine what the guest who told us about her experience of being raped and all will feel when reading your post!!
Do you think giving up a baby is easy? So, she's raped, then she has to complete the pregnancy (so that EVERYDAY she can't forget the rape, and that also means postpone her own life if she is a student for example), then has to give up the child (which must be sooooo easy). Thereafter, she will surely never forget the rape since she knows her baby is out there. All that because she's was raped? wonderful...
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manou
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Thu, 19 May 05 10:42 AM
> Sorry friends. That is just my opinion and not at all a suggestion....
Anita, I completely agree with you on all your points.
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Guest,
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A fetus is a living feeling being LONG before it is born.
Sure, life is tough. We all have our crosses to carry.
There is no excuse for killing living. feeling human beings.
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yogi2005
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Thu, 19 May 05 04:39 PM
It's very easy to accept abortion if you treat an unborn baby like a waste that can be removed. The main differences between an unborn baby an a born baby are the way it bearthes and it is fed. It is fed through a cord and it breathes through a cord. In fact , it is still a baby (not something).
I think it is a matter of awareness. If we are not aware of what we want to remove than the decision is not that difficult, but if we are aware that we remove a baby than everybody agrees that it would be a murder.
Sometimes we adjust things to our convenience and we think that everything is ok, we have a clear conscience.
What is the difference between one day old baby and a baby one day before it is born? ( the way it is fed and the way it breathes, that's all),
if a baby is born through a cesarian cut , do you call it a baby or a fetus?
or maybe all the babies born by a cesarian cut are born fetuses? (and than they become grown up fetuses)
When it comes to rapes, I agree that this is a tradegy for a woman,no doubts about that, but what doeas it have to do with a baby?,
it is not the baby's fault. I think that rapes and abortion are separte issues. On the other hand , I think that the number of pregnancies interrupted as a result of rape is in minority, I think there are less than 1% abortions due to that reason.
In many cases, egoism is a reason for abortion. Abortion is a result of trying to avoid the consequences. People do it for their convenience.
You can ask kids in orphanages whether they would like to be killed.
It makes no difference to me whetehr you kill unborn baby or a 1 year old kid or 20 years old man etc. The problem is whether you accept killing other people or not , in general.
Maybe, it is easier to kill an unborn baby,( as it is easier to come to terms with losing an 1 day old than with 5 years old kid) because we are not involved emotionally, our emotional bond is not that strong.
Tha fact, that a baby ,for example one month before birth , is not only a fetus, is so obvious to me that I'm not able to convince anybody who things differently. I've bever had to convince myself.
However, I would be grateful to anyone for explaning that an unborn baby is not only a fetus. it has a brain, heart, lungs etc. It has all the organs more or less developed (it depends on the age of pregnancy).
I hope that the above is intellegible.
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manou
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Fri, 20 May 05 10:49 AM
> In many cases, egoism is a reason for abortion. Abortion is a result of trying to avoid the consequences. People do it for their convenience.
Come on, you really think that????
Just go to a medical center where abortions occur, and talk to any woman who wants to abort. You'll see how "easy" it is for her, how "convenient" it is. You just don't know, that's obvious. I did talk to women who had abortion, and they never never tell me about convenience or egoism, but certainly more about grief. But still, they all think it was for the better.
> However, I would be grateful to anyone for explaning that an unborn baby is not only a fetus. it has a brain, heart, lungs etc. It has all the organs more or less developed (it depends on the age of pregnancy).
It's only in the 8th week that the heart is well developped, not before. And the brain starts developping for several months. In france, the abortion is legal only if done before the 10th week, and I don't have any problem with that. Before the 10th week, it's not really a baby, more something that could be a baby.
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anita_a
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Sat, 21 May 05 03:20 AM
Thanks Manou... I agree with you too. I have seen my class mate go through it... It is painful and none except the one going through can really understand the mental and physical pain they go through. there is a guilty conscience also that they r doing something wrong just bcoz of their momentary pleasures and that too when they get it done without their parents' knowledge.
But all this still doesn't make abortion wrong.Sometimes the cause might be wrong. U know guys, therer married people who go and abort bcoz they havetheir beauty or carreer or both at stake.So the cause there is wrong. But if u r doing it bcoz u r too young to shoulder the responsibility of a child or the pregnancy is an outcome of a rape... then the cause is right and abortion is right too.
there is a scientific theory that if the fetus can be independent of the womb and can survive outside, that is when it is called a baby. and that happens at 23-24 weeks. Till then it is a fetus.
And I still say that it is better to abort than to let the child be called a bastard or the child to be abandoned. It is terrible for the child to grow up and know that it was an outcome of rape or that it was an unwanted child. Please let us not give the child that trauma later in life...
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Cheers,Anita
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Sat, 21 May 05 01:13 PM
Hi all,
It depends on individual, circumstances, society, faith etc....
To put it very simply.
When we eat eggs we dont think whether we have right or not. But we eat eggs to sustain our life in the earth. And everybody knows that eggs are nothing but fetus.
So, why should we ask ourselves whether we have a right to abort or not?. Seems to me silly question.
Humans are prone to do anything to sustain their life.
Therefore none of us deserve to talk about right.
MSN.
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yogi2005
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Sat, 21 May 05 09:52 PM
| In france, the abortion is legal only if done before the 10th week |
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Is it ok that a fetus that is 9 weeks and 6 days old can be killed while a fetus that is 10 weeks and 1 day old is allowed to live?
There is no way to define when a fetus (something) turns into a fetus(unborn baby). What is more different fetuses develop at different rate as kids do.
The only moment in which we can say that a new life starts is the moment of conception.
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anita_a
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Sat, 21 May 05 10:36 PM
The moment of conception is never known... you get to know that u r pregnant only when u r 45 days old or 3 months pregnant as the case may be. So u never get to know when life starts.
There is a scientific theory that if the fetus can be independent of the womb and can survive outside, that is when it is called a baby. and that happens at 23-24 weeks. Till then it is a fetus.
We are here not talking about when to abort or when to let the fetus live... we are talking here about whether or not we should abort or not...
And when we talk about rights, why is it that everyone is considering only the rights of the baby and not of the mother. Can't the woman have the right to decide to have a baby or not?
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