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Tidus  +  303080 Tue, 12 Dec 06 01:26 PM

this is a tricky one, but, the act of having sex was a joint decision.  And, like every other joint decision, both parties have a say in the matter.  This should be the same where abortion is concerned.  I think that by having sex, both have acknowledged the possibility of pregnancy and termination of it should be a joint decision.

I think as it stands at the moment, a man cannot demand that a woman have an abortion.  Therefore, it is clearly unfair that a woman can just decide to have an abortion against the wishes of the man.

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nona the brit  +  303361 Wed, 13 Dec 06 07:49 AM

This is a difficult point, Tidus.

So if a couple are in conflict over this, how can a decision be made?

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Tidus  +  303403 Wed, 13 Dec 06 12:56 PM

I think the decision would need to be approached as amicably as possible, but broadly speaking, I think if the man makes some sort of official statement saying that he wants the pregnancy to continue and that he'll assume all parental responsibility after the birth, then that should suffice - unfortunate for the woman cause it's her who carries the child.. But, I can see all manner of reasons that that might not work as intended, including:

*  having the abortion without telling the man she is pregnant.

* claiming that the man deliberately tampered with condoms, so tricked her into getting pregnant.

* not properly looking after the child during the pregnancy term ie smoking, drinking etc.

* self inducing a miscarriage.

And then of course there's also the chance that after having the baby, the woman refuses to give it up after all.

All terribly messy and i think if it had any chance of working, then it would need to be a court who orders a woman to continue with the pregnancy under the threat of a jail term if she does not look after herself and baby properly during the term.  That, I admit, does sound very harsh on the woman.

The more i think about it, the more I really don't know what the best way to resolve a conflict would be. For everything I can think of, I can think of twice as many reason why it wouldn't work.

nona the brit  +  303407 Wed, 13 Dec 06 01:12 PM

I think that people have tried to take a couple of these cases to court but the woman has gone and had an abortion beforehand anyway.

It must be an awful situation to be in.

Tidus  +  303413 Wed, 13 Dec 06 01:42 PM
Yes, there is that.  Along with disregarding a court decision and having an abortion  anyway, and paying the consequences.
Mithunbarik  +  323512 Sat, 03 Feb 07 08:46 AM

 Anonymous wrote:
 Nona The Brit wrote:
How can it be a child's decision? that's silly.


It may sound silly but it's a matter of life and death! I say let the baby live and put him/her up for adoption if you REALLY don't want him/her. That's infinetly better than cutting up a baby with scissors or knives!  
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Sometimes there are some situations where the baby is not acceptable:; due to medical (birth defects) or social (rape/incest). So then abortion becomes inevitable.

Coming to the actual starting point I feel the decision should be entirely taken by the female partner. Please don't think that abortions are always resultant of one night stands. Actually in developing world there are many irresponsible husbands who still does not use contraceptives properly ( condoms decreases their pleasure!!) . So many of the times the women do not have any other option than to abort.(otherwise the child will starve to death) 

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Anonymous, 2 yr 291 days ago

Abortion.. It's neither man's decision nor woman's decision, except some cases of incest, rape, prostitution etc...: woman or her parents{or protector} should decide to have or not to have a child. Sex education and contraception plays an  important role in this situation. It should be taught in school earlier to prevent a lot of pitful thing. Man and woman should plan for their contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy.They musn't have unprotected sexual intercourse and after that choose a lot of methods to prevent pregnancy including the current methods of disturbing implanted pregnancy.It harms a lot of woman's health and further more the later regret of the undesired pregnancy.It will be the man and woman's decision to have a child or not in order to plan their family or to prepare their future before intercourse but not after. There are a lot of new effectiveness methods of contraception medically appropriate for each couples and they are the best methods with a small rate of failure.

Titi Thi

Flygonwings, 2 yr 291 days ago
Abortion is terrible. I really dislike it. Killing children. That is just cruel. Angry [:@]
Anonymous, 2 yr 283 days ago
Your very ethical opinion reveals something that makes me couldn't think over what you have said.For my personal experience, my friends and I had the same feeling with you before studying of sex education and contraception.. After my first covax practice,every night the special smile of the fifteen- year- old -girl looks like her small early baby seemed to appear in my nightmare. All of my mothers' friends should take them to the temple to ask for the forgiveness...My aunt recommended us to recite rosary prayers...You were born with a silver spoon in your mouth so it's difficult to ask you to be sympathize with those who were in the difficult situation, especially those who were born on the wrong side of the blanket.Your pet food could save an African rural village for a month, though they always use contraception to decrease the rate of born, even using a charm around their neck.In my district, a mother with seven children let her early born at the hospital because she couldn't pay service's fee. This lucky baby was adopted by a Frenchman who had given hundred dollars to the poor woman in order to console  her in this bad condition. It seems that the little girl is now attending in an International school with a thousand- dollar-fee per month.I think our feeling of invalidated moral depends on our attitude .A worthy human or not is only a feeling.It looks like a soldier's shot at the ennemy to defend himself and his country. Decreasing the rate of born, avoiding malform children by pretenal screening are really a sin in our century?
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