What do you think about the war between Israel and Lebanon?

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Anonymous  #338872  Tue, 13 Mar 07 08:14 PM

by the way,Israelis maps show Israel and west bank,not great Israel,i guess.

  
Anonymous  #339096  Wed, 14 Mar 07 09:46 AM
Right to take a land? What is it? Did the Brits have a right to take over North America? Did the Spanish have a right to take over South America? Who gave the English people their right to occupy Australia and New Zealand? Who gave the Anglo-Saxons their right to occupy Britain, and the Francs to take over Gaul?
The area of Israel was occupied time and again by different people and different empires. Who gave the Assyrian and Babylonian empires their right to occupy it? And what about the Persians, the Hellenists, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Crusaders, the Mamluks, the Ottomans? Who gave them their right to occupy the land?

Let us all forget for a moment that the Jewish settlement in Israel was confirmed formally by the UN as a state, and that it was backed up by the British Mandate of Palestine (who was, for itself, a formal and authorized mandatory, backed up by the League of Nations), you cannot ignore the simple fact is that no one "invaded" to someone else's home, because it never was "his home".
The Arabs of Israel (Palestinians, that, by the way, invaded the land just like every other nation before and after them), just like the Jews of Israel, just like the Christians of Israel, lived since ever under someone else's rule. They never had a sovereign country; their sovereignty was never breached, because they never had one!

As for the killing, I'm sorry to break this one, but the Arabs are not less guilty then the Jews, maybe even more. Just open a history book and read for yourself: 1920 riots, Jaffa riots of 1921, 1929 riots, Arab revolt of 1936-1939…
Practically all of the wars that Israel had since 1948 (including) were started by its "peaceful" neighbors.

Why do we call the Palestinians terrorists? That is your interpretation. I don't like generalizations and I don't call innocent people "terrorists".
And still, the truth is that the tactics of Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatach, the Islamic Jihad and the rest of the Palestinian "freedom fighters" target Israeli civilians. They, as opposed to the Israeli army, aim their attacks at innocent men, women and children.
How would you call a man who bombs himself in a club, killing 21 teenagers (in the range of 14-19 years of age) and injuring 120 more? "Freedom fighter"? I wouldn't say
  
Aleen  #339374  Wed, 14 Mar 07 09:45 PM
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 Aleen wrote:

lol, it didn't occupy it  u even ignore this? so what do u call explling ppl the massacares israel has done and taking the lands of ppl ? and for god's sake what is eretz of israel they've returned what about the peope who are living in plaestine and was kicked out if so they've also have teh right to return don't they, but israel don't even believe in this right? so neither both have the right to return or no one

it's israel who wants the land from the river to the sea they are not even ready to teach their kids that a part of the land is palestine at least we do teach ours, even in their books in their maps everywhere else israel is from river to the sea (with a part of Syria,jolan) and israel is still building settlment in palestine, taking our houses or destroy them to get us out of the holy land?besides the majority (the palestinianss) live in 20% of the holy land while the rest is left for the israelis, we are 5 millions (with the israeli arabs) while israelis are nearly 3 millions

 btw Ilan Pappe has showed what israel did and  will continue doing  until no palestinian will be in the holy land he exactly said:

"On March 10, 1948, in Tel Aviv, eleven men had a meeting in the Red House headed by Ben Gurion. The eleven decided to expel one million Palestinians from historical Palestine. No minutes were taken, but many memoirs were written about that fateful meeting. A systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestine began and within seven months the Zionists managed to expel one half of all the Palestinian people from their villages and towns."-Dr. Ilan Pappe.

and Ilan is supposed to be one of the most trusted and principled historian in israel

*lol* the palestinian books always show palestine from the river to the sea,are you sure  you don't talk about yourself when you write it? Stick out tongue [:P] and by the way,Israelis are 4 millions,i don't know what you study there,but check the facts,it's more suitible to you,with your hateness Stick out tongue [:P]

no sweetie we don't the old books did but the new one don't go and check it besides israelis are 4 millions right but 1 million of them are arabs man 20% of your population are arabs (or better to say palestinians) come on

  
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Aleen  #339376  Wed, 14 Mar 07 09:50 PM
 Anonymous wrote:

by the way,Israelis maps show Israel and west bank,not great Israel,i guess.

this is not in their curriculum

  
Aleen  #339386  Wed, 14 Mar 07 10:46 PM

 Anonymous wrote:
Right to take a land? What is it? Did the Brits have a right to take over North America? Did the Spanish have a right to take over South America? Who gave the English people their right to occupy Australia and New Zealand? Who gave the Anglo-Saxons their right to occupy Britain, and the Francs to take over Gaul?
The area of Israel was occupied time and again by different people and different empires. Who gave the Assyrian and Babylonian empires their right to occupy it? And what about the Persians, the Hellenists, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Crusaders, the Mamluks, the Ottomans? Who gave them their right to occupy the land?

sure no one has this right also the jews don't have this right as well, and probably u've forgotten that jews had occupied the land of Canaans (which is eretz israel  now)  and they burnt it and killed them if not genocided them so they occupied it  and they came back to occupy it again Big Smile [:D] so it's not their land as u claim  at least we palestinians are the ones who lived here for the last 17 (btw arabs were here before the 17 centuries it's islam which came to the holy land in the 17 century not the arabs)

Let us all forget for a moment that the Jewish settlement in Israel was confirmed formally by the UN as a state, and that it was backed up by the British Mandate of Palestine (who was, for itself, a formal and authorized mandatory, backed up by the League of Nations)

haven't u just said that no one has the right to occupy i guess we shoudn't also consider the jewish settlement as legal settlements they were just taken by power,  just as it was backed up by the League of Nations no one consider that the Brits don't have the right to live in North america, what is that contradiction u believe that those don't have the right  to take over noth america while the jews have the right to take over palestine not to mention the massacares they've done to palestinians?

you cannot ignore the simple fact is that no one "invaded" to someone else's home, because it never was "his home".
The Arabs of Israel (Palestinians, that, by the way, invaded the land just like every other nation before and after them), just like the Jews of Israel, just like the Christians of Israel, lived since ever under someone else's rule. They never had a sovereign country; their sovereignty was never breached, because they never had one!

btw what u call the christians of israel are Palestinians (clear enough u don't know a lot about this land huh?) , and what u yourself don't get the not all the palestinians are arabs and the palestinains are a mix of all these nationalities they are arabs greeks and the jews who have converted to islam or christainity ya it's  sad that we were under occupation many times but we were living always living here even if we were under occupations but it's still our home definitely 
if we've been many times under occupation  that means it's ok to occupy us? to kill us? i don't  get your logic


As for the killing, I'm sorry to break this one, but the Arabs are not less guilty then the Jews, maybe even more. Just open a history book and read for yourself: 1920 riots, Jaffa riots of 1921, 1929 riots, Arab revolt of 1936-1939…
Practically all of the wars that Israel had since 1948 (including) were started by its "peaceful" neighbors.

so your usual response for an occupation is to keep watching them kicking out your people? (not to mention the israeli troops that came it was clear enough that they were setting up for a war ,killing and occupying)  and see the number of death; isrealis killed around 15000 arab while 6000 israeli was killed in it 4000 were troops and what about Sabra and Shatila deer yaseen thousands were dead and israel start the attacks!forgot the 17000 palestinians who were massacared they even followed them in lebanon! wasn't it enough to kick them out of their lands?

Why do we call the Palestinians terrorists? That is your interpretation. I don't like generalizations and I don't call innocent people "terrorists".
And still, the truth is that the tactics of Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatach, the Islamic Jihad and the rest of the Palestinian "freedom fighters" target Israeli civilians. They, as opposed to the Israeli army, aim their attacks at innocent men, women and children.
How would you call a man who bombs himself in a club, killing 21 teenagers (in the range of 14-19 years of age) and injuring 120 more? "Freedom fighter"? I wouldn't say

teens? cuz the israeli soldiers are teens a 17 or 18 years old israeli can be enlisted for the army. your source of information is wrong cuz they don't aim civiliasn many times they've bombed soldiers and the last three attacks were at the israeli soldiers while israelis as i see kill nothing but civilians they even shoot and hit children  not to mention the bombs that are surrounding east jerusalem that target children (they put them in toys to attract teh children to play with the and god knows how many were killed by them) at least i see what's happening but obviously you're one of those who are brainwashd by media

well i don't care if u called them terrorists but i wonder why don't u call the israeli ones? a man enters a mosques and kill nearly ten what is that called? a women hits badly a palestinian girl what do u call this?

i don't know why don't you condem that attacks of israelis that kills a lot of kids and civilians what about their massacares? not to mention that they attack without any reason and break into our houses  what about the expel?? the treatment on checkpoints? and don't they the israeli politicians wish for a drown Gazza in public isn't it clear enough that they want and ethnic cleansing?

  
Anonymous  #339664  Thu, 15 Mar 07 07:48 PM

anon israel is occupying palestine oppressing palestinians what a pity to deny the occupation  and their settlements in palestine are illegal and the aprathied wall is illegal UN didn't allow them to do it  but they did

by the way an israeli politician has said Each israeli politician has his own masacares, a brief confession

  
Anonymous  #339674  Thu, 15 Mar 07 08:12 PM
every israeli should serve in teh army for 2 years at least so it's funny to say innocenmt civiliasn most of them are soldiers where are they those innocent civilians?
  
Anonymous  #340316  Sat, 17 Mar 07 06:48 PM
the occupation happened in 1948 it's not so far and the jews came to palestine during the ottoman impire and the british manadate they were 20% of the population in 1948 the occupation didn't happen so far those who were expelled are still alive what about the israeli testify it's funny to deny the occupation palestinians were living here and you are saying it's not their home!
  
Anonymous  #340346  Sat, 17 Mar 07 09:30 PM

come on 1064 lebanese civilian died out of  1161  dead lebanese

Israeli soldiers who have been killed is 110 out of 153 killed Israelis. is the war between lebaon and israel

so who aims the civilians? both said we don't aim civilians but lok what happened i dont know why one group is considered to be aiming civilians while the other don't where is your justice ?

  
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