Please help me about the writing: (1) I told him if... (2) past tense

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Lin1978  #309563  Tue, 02 Jan 07 03:24 AM

I got confused sometimes about this sentence. How should I describe the situation in my composition?

Which one is right?

(1) I told him that if he could come to our country, I would be happy.

(2) I told him if he come to our country, I will be happy.

The fact is that I am not sure whether he'll come or not. But, at least one I can be sure, I'll look forward his coming with eager anticipation. How should I make somebody else know the situation I describe? Can I omit the word "that" in the sentence?

The other question is the past tense, here is the article I wrote to another person.

"I told Peter that Taiwan and Thailand were not the same country. Taiwan was an island beside China. It's a beautiful isaland with warm climate, magnificent scenery and friendly people."

So my question is that Taiwan is a island. That's a truth. It won't change over time. Should I replace " the past tense " it to " the present tense" ?

"I told Peter that Taiwan and Thailand are not the same country. Taiwan is an island beside China. It's a beautiful isaland with warm climate, magnificent scenery and friendly people."


I'll appreciate it if someone can help me through this.

  
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Marius Hancu  #309565  Tue, 02 Jan 07 03:32 AM
For the past tense, see my quotations from Jespersen in this thread:

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Lin1978  #309570  Tue, 02 Jan 07 03:44 AM
There are some problems in the link... Can you tell me what key word I can search for?

And thank you for your help.
  
Marius Hancu  #309574  Tue, 02 Jan 07 03:50 AM
Fixed, sorry.
  
Lin1978  #309872  Wed, 03 Jan 07 03:51 AM

Is there anyone can help me about first problem? Chould I omit the "that"  or not?

  
Goodman  #309888  Wed, 03 Jan 07 05:01 AM

[That] functions as a separator in this context. I prefer to see it for I think it works better with it. However, some people leave it out.

John said [that] Mary is coming to Paul’s birthday party.

  
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Lin1978  #309920  Wed, 03 Jan 07 06:57 AM
Oops, I am so sorry. I didn't explain my question clearly.

My point is - if I omit the "that" in the sentence in my article, might someone misunderstand the meaning of sentence?

(1) I told him that if he could come to our country, I would be happy.
---> considering the meaning of this sentence:  I told him that --- I would be happy if he could come to our country. 

(2) I told him if he comes to our country, I will be happy.
---> considering the meaning of this sentence: if he comes to our country, I will tell him somthing. And the result is that I am happy.

Please forgive the poor explanation of my question. Thank you for your answer anyway.
  
Marius Hancu  #309968  Wed, 03 Jan 07 11:08 AM
I think you need that in both 1 and 2.
But I don't think 2 is correct in terms of verbs.
  
Goodman  #310132  Wed, 03 Jan 07 08:45 PM

When we use [if] in a context, we need to be careful how we apply the verbs because of the conditional implications. 

 

A-    I told John on the phone that I would be so thrilled if he could come to visit us this summer.

B-    So did he say he would come?

A-    He won’t know until after the final.

 

Two points in this context I want  to make.

1) [that] is needed because you want to separate what you told John from what you are telling B.

2 )Because of the hypothetical condition, the past form of the aux. word should be used.

 

 

 

  
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