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davkett  #109125  Wed, 15 Jun 05 02:18 PM
May I ask for your views on the CONTEXT ISSUE in thread "Spray"?

The specific contextual examples I offered could probably be picked apart. But does their possible inadequacy change the validity of the point: there is no such thing as a sentence that has an absolute meaning, unaffected by context?
  
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Mister Micawber  #109154  Wed, 15 Jun 05 03:13 PM

You can link by typing THE POST/THREAD NUMBER HERE, Dave. Be sure to leave no spaces between the brackets and 'post' and '/post'.



  
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Mister Micawber  #109155  Wed, 15 Jun 05 03:19 PM

Oh, I forgot to give my opinion. Context probably affects the meaning of almost all sentences.



And this thread should probably just zip right over to Linguistics Discussion.

  
davkett  #109156  Wed, 15 Jun 05 03:22 PM
Thanks, Mr. Micawber. I'm not sure, though, how to translate your instruction. Where do I find 'post/thread number'?


Also, as a new member, I haven't even explored this Linguistics forum yet. I'm sure that will keep me glued to the site even more.

How does one 'zip [a post] right over to Linguistic Discussion'?



  
Roro  #109176  Wed, 15 Jun 05 04:47 PM
Hello davkett, Mister Micawber.
I'm interested in these kinds of questions, in a way, so please let me cut into the line.

I've just read through the [Spray] thread. The first thing I thought was this kind of verb phrases, that is [spray the wall with paint], has a specific difficulty in the first place. (Umm.. doesn't it..?)

(1) We can spray the wall with paint, endlessly, repeatedly.
(2)We can spray the wall with paint, in some temporal interval.

... We should give different interpretations to them.

A little bit specific verb phrase, but I'd classify it into usual activity verb.
And I'd pose the question as ... does the context provide some [endpoint] of activity?
Of any sort of endpoint, temporal, quantificational, etc.
And I take a position that a sentence has, independent of its context, a meaning, in principle.

It's a rather rough sketch.
I'm looking forward to hearing other members' views.
  
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Mister Micawber  #109310  Thu, 16 Jun 05 01:51 AM

Dave, the post number appears at the end of the http address in your browser bar when your browser is on the thread you wish to link to. It reads: " http://www.englishforums.com/....PostID=108727 ". Use the number '108727' and place it between the and HTTP codes. Then you would produce a link to the 'Spray' thread, like this: Post:108727


Sorry, you won't be able to move threads to other fora until you're a moderator; I meant that I was going to do it.

  
Roro  #110755  Mon, 20 Jun 05 06:19 AM
Hi everyone. I'm afraid what I wrote is obscure. Just a few more words.
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I think this kind of verb phrases, [spray the wall with paint], is a little bit specific.
(1) We can spray the wall with paint, endlessly.
(2) We can spray the wall with paint, in some temporal interval.
..... We should give different interpretations to them.
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By this I meant roughly the following:

[1] We can [walk] endlessly, but we cannot [walk a mile] endlessly.
[2] We can [eat apples] endlessly, but we cannot [eat an apple] endlessly.
[3] We can [spray the wall with paint] endlessly, but we cannot [paint some definite pictute] endlessly.
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On the other hand:

[4] We [walked a mile] in an hour.
[5] (?) We [walked] in an hour. (One possible interpretation is: it took us an hour before we began to walk.)

Devil [6] We [ate an apple] in a minute.
[7] (?) We [ate apples] in a minute.

Music [8] We [sprayed the wall with paint] in an hour.

As to the verb phrase [spray the wall with paint], there're easily available two reading: activity one and accomplishment one. (When I made a previous post I had in mind roughly such a thing.)

As an afterthought.
  
CalifJim  #445712  Sat, 24 Nov 07 06:54 AM
... there is no such thing as a sentence that has an absolute meaning, unaffected by context ...
I wonder if this isn't trivially true.  What would the arguments against it be?  A sentence with an absolute meaning, presumably.  But who has put forward such a sentence?  Can there be any? Does a sentence like Two plus two equals four qualify as a sentence with an absolute meaning?

CJ

  
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