How much abstract an abstract noun is?

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elcid  #214783  Wed, 12 Apr 06 10:47 PM
Hi, I was reading some resource of grammar on internet and came across this sentence.
"Because of a confusion with that type of sentence, it is a curiously common error to put a comma in the absolute construction"
Should not we use "beacause of confusion..."? Confusion is an abstract noun and can't take 'a' before it.

Similarly for sentences like:
"what a beautiful day!"  'A' refers to day right? so it's okay to use it here.
and for "what a nuisance!" Nuisace, can it be counted? If no then why use 'A'?
and for many more sentences similar to "what a mystery!", "what a beauty!" Or is it that my understanding is wrong and we should use "what nuisance!", "what msytery!" , "what beauty!".

Hope to get some comments soon.
  
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Clive  #214788  Wed, 12 Apr 06 11:20 PM

Hi,

"Because of a confusion with that type of sentence, it is a curiously common error to put a comma in the absolute construction"
Should not we use "beacause of confusion..."? Confusion is an abstract noun and can't take 'a' before it.Yes, 'a confusion' is wrong. Your following examples, with 'a', are correct.


Best wishes, Clive

  
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Goodman  #214813  Thu, 13 Apr 06 12:43 AM

This is a good example of what seemed to be the irregularity of the grammar rules.

As Clive has already demonstrated, Nuisnace is a countable noun but there are cases they can be used as uncountable.

In downtown San Francisco, public drunkenness, littlering and beggars are becoming some of the major nuisances to tourists and locals alike. Sometimes, it's too much nuisnace for even me to tolerate.  In this example, "nuisance"  is used in both countable and uncountable form. Confusion is an uncountable noun and thus can not take an "a".

  
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Believer  #214909  Thu, 13 Apr 06 11:06 AM

Hi,

My dictionary noted the word "confusion" as either a variable noun and an uncountable noun, and it is my guess that the use of the word in the original post was in relation to its variable nature.

According to the Collins/Cobuild Advanced Learner's English Dictionary,

CONFUSION: N-VAR If there is confusion about something, it is not clear what the true situation is, especially because people believe different things.

N-UNCOUNT Confusion is a situation in which everything is in disorder, especially because there are lots of things happening at the same time.

In Mr. Goodman's post, in it, it had the following sentence and upon checking the same dictionary it had the "nuisance" as a countable and it is my educated guess that the sentence of his should be like this. I must note that his explanation was very good.

It is too  much of a nuisance for even for me to tolerate.   

My recommendation for the poster is purchase a good dictionary and I think it will do plenty of good. 

  
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Goodman  #215074  Thu, 13 Apr 06 07:22 PM

Hello Mr. Believer,

I was savoring your comment for a few minutes and I have this thought.

 

“It is too  much of a nuisance for even me to tolerate”.   This sounds totally correct. 

 

 But "a nuisance" is what I am stuck on and I think the interpretation of the scenario became individual. In the early part of my example, I described several nuisances (plural). Then I summed up my statement by saying “ It is too much nuisance for even me to tolerate” , where “nuisance” in my mind was intended to be as a collective variable noun but in non-countable form.  So I didn't apply a preposition phrase " of a".  My train of thought was sucha that when we intend to use a variable noun, we use “much” instead of “many”.  I know people say it all the time, “ to much of a hassle”, “ to much of a bother” and etc…   Now, please enlighten me. Isn’t  “too much of “a” something(variable / non-countable) contradictory of the grammar rule.  Also, is " too  much nuisance even for me to tolerate " a wrong context as well as grammar and meaning?  Hope you don't mind my inquiry.Smile [:)]

 

Oh, incidentally I heard people say "it's too much trouble"; never "too much of a trouble". That's the kind of irregularity I wanted to point out. That's all.

  
elcid  #215144  Fri, 14 Apr 06 12:11 AM
Thank you sir! I aprreciate you for your help.
  
Believer  #216422  Sun, 16 Apr 06 01:44 PM

Hi,

I don't mind at all. I will try to respond to your inquiry.

Let me try. I think, in the expression "too much of "a" something," the phrase "too much" is functioning as a quantifying phrase of a singular definite noun (in the sentence above, it will be the word "something."). 

My Q:

Can we say/write  the phrase "a something" or only can use the word "something" without an article "a"?

  
Anonymous  #543325  Sat, 19 Jul 08 02:13 AM
hi,what is use an abstract noun in a sentence
  
Clive  #543825  Sun, 20 Jul 08 05:20 AM
Hi,
hi,what is use an abstract noun in a sentence
Please tell me an abstract noun. Then I can help you to use it in a sentence.

Clive
  
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