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Marius Hancu

#544943 Tue, 22 Jul 08 12:24 PM

> That result could be something that is valid at this time so far, so #1 might be possible, might it be not?

might it not?

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CalifJim

#545061 Tue, 22 Jul 08 06:40 PM

Taka
Isn't this the same

Well, there's 'the same', and then there's 'the same', if you know what I mean. It's not exactly the same of course, but it's similar.

The -ing formulation, with its non-finite verb, has been changed to a present perfect, a finite verb form. This alone causes some of the meaning to be lost -- specifically the 'thereby' concept:

These ... have caught ..., thereby bringing out a wave of ...

These ... have caught .... In doing so, they have brought out a wave of ...

These ... have caught ..... As a consequence, they have brought out a wave of ...

As you see, above, other than dropping the 'thereby' concept, your paraphrase is 'the same' as the original.

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Taka

#545075 Tue, 22 Jul 08 07:14 PM

OK. So some 'S have -ed, -ing's are the same as—or similar to, if you will—'S have -ed and (have) -ed,' but some are not.

Then what about this kind?

S can (or any other auxiliary verbs) do X, -ing Y.

Is it similar to:

S can/must/should/...etc do X and S can/must/should/...etc do Y.

? Or could it sometimes be:

S can/must/should/...etc do X, and S do/does Y.

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26TMNTJG2PG

#545757 Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:38 AM

Taka
I've found this example:

These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.

Isn't this the same as:

These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they have brought out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.

?

These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.

bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists - This participial phrase is a nominative absolute phrase preceded by a 'they' which is understood with its non-finite verb 'bringing' having the finite equivalent 'bring'. The comma there has the function of joining two independent clauses and if you invoke such function, the new sentence will be "These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they bring out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment."

The finite verb 'have brought' has its non-finite equivalent as 'having brought'. On the same basis, the construction with a nominative absolute phrase for the sentence below

"These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they have brought out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment."

should be

"These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, having brought out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment."

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