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Taka

#544629 Mon, 21 Jul 08 08:00 PM

These kinds of books have grown into a major market, accounting for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.

Which is closer to the original above?

(1) These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they have) accounted for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.

(2)These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they) account for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.

Taka

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Marius Hancu

#544638 Mon, 21 Jul 08 09:13 PM

The result of the process is important here, thus 2

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Taka

#544815 Tue, 22 Jul 08 04:11 AM

That result could be something that is valid at this time so far, so #1 might be possible, might it not be?

Taka

CalifJim

#544821 Tue, 22 Jul 08 04:27 AM

Taka
Which is closer to the original above?

(2). It's not that they (have) accounted for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S. (in the past). It's that, as things stand now, they account for 25 percent of those publications. Had the account been made earlier, probably less than 25 percent of the publications would have been involved.

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Taka

#544825 Tue, 22 Jul 08 04:32 AM

OK.

Jim, would you come up with some cases where 'S have -ed, -ing' is almost the same as 'S have -ed and (have) -ed'? I'd like to compare the difference.

Taka

CalifJim

#544834 Tue, 22 Jul 08 04:42 AM

Sorry, Taka, I don't really understand the question. Tongue Tied

Can you suggest one as an example? Maybe if you tried one first, I'd get the idea better.

In any case, it sounds like a daunting task, and I'm not sure I'm up to it! Smile

CalifJim

Taka

#544846 Tue, 22 Jul 08 05:03 AM

Sorry, it was not clear.

These kinds of books have grown into a major market, accounting for 25 percent...

Subject(S):these kinds of books

have -ed: have grown into a major market

,-ing: ,accounting for 25 percent...

Here 'S have -ed, -ing' is not 'S have -ed, and have -ed': it is not 'These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and have accounted for 25 percent...'

I've been wondering if there is some cases where 'S have -ed, -ing' IS 'S have -ed, and have -ed.'

Would you come up with any, Jim?

Taka

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#544867 Tue, 22 Jul 08 06:07 AM

Change the participial phrase instead : These kinds of books have grown into a major market, having accounted for ~~accounting for~~ 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.

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Taka

#544872 Tue, 22 Jul 08 06:46 AM

I've found this example:

These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.

Isn't this the same as:

These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they have brought out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.

Taka

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