Why are some people against organ and body donation?

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monfrancom  #255889  Tue, 15 Aug 06 12:06 AM

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If you're against it tell me why.

I cannot say that I am against it... for others, but I will never give permission to touch my body in any way once I am determined dead.  This includes not giving any of my body parts.

I understand that the universal "you" is free.  I am free, and so are you.  One of the questions is where does my freedom end, and where does yours start?  A tough (tuff!) question.

Where organ donation is concerned, I am free to insist the limits of how my body, and its parts can be dealt with once I die.

I do not presume to be morally correct in this decision that I have taken, but it is the assertion of my will.

Nature was created within the limits of certain physical laws.  I understand that we have learnt alot about those laws, and have used some for the betterment of (some of ) humanity's lot.  Please note that if you are reading this, you stand among the rich.  That you be at a computer at home or in a public place, you are still contributing to this world's higher end user/consummer of its natural resources.  So, how much of it are we all justfied in partaking of?  Anything we want?  As much as we want?  Where are the limits?  Is it because we are capable of doing/using something that we should?  At what point should we consider Nature's laws and respect them?

In this country, medical care is now either free to the individual citizen or at an unimaginably-extremely low cost (this depends on which province you live in) but  the greater part of it is free.  250$ - 350$ annually ( money exchange converter http://www.xe.com/ucc/) in some provinces I know about.  There are some provinces who also taxe cityzens for medicine insurance, but this is also VERY cheap.  Please note: one day at a hospital can EASILY cost over $1000/day, and actually usually does.  A friend (in 1987) said that the provincial government had sent the father a hospital bill for his recent visit of ten (10) days due to a heart attack, it was for a total of $25 000 for that stay and the health services he received during his stay.  This was not a bill, but the government's way of letting cityzens know how much it cost... for the medical services you received... then.  It was a random practice to send this type of information.

This to me all boils down to money.  How are public finances redistributed within a society, and how is it determined?  Back to our potential to extend life, there is a natural law.  We are playing with it.  How can one justify receiving something at something else's or someone else's benefit?  As an example: in Ontario, a rich Canadian province, they decided this year that they would limit services offered to autistic children after the age of six, even if research showed its benefits and had proven the success of the services in question.  These services are offered for free in Alberta (another canadian province) where this couple, because of this decision, decided to move to for their child.  They did not want to move.

It will/is only for the rich, and inadvertently at the cost of the poor.  Wether you consider facility space use, professionals being required, becoming unavailable for other needs, money for training, money for equipment, transportation, man hours to find, select appropriate organs, etc., etc., etc.

Now don't be mislead, it is not purely a question of money, but of everyone's individual needs. Duration of life of the rich versus the cost to quality of life for the poor.

I would invest that money to insure a better quality of life for all, as opposed to an extend life for some.

  
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Raiden005  #256202  Tue, 15 Aug 06 07:01 PM

What's to lose once you are dead??  Why should 5+ lives suffer when there is only need for 1? Organ donation is more than just a preferance based on ethics it is the very basis that can define your humanity! I am a christian and I personally am for organ donation and transplantation; even though many christians are not. The way I look at it jesus christ "gave" his "life" on the cross so that we might "live", SO why can't we be like christ and "give some of our remaining "life so that others that are suffering might stand a chance to "live" (PS this is all simply allegorical and should not be taken ltterally). If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem!! It might as well rank uo their with murder!

Thx guys!!,

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Anonymous  #281933  Tue, 17 Oct 06 03:13 AM
Transplant organs are taken from "dead" people.  Brain death is death.  Brain death and death are synonomous.  Machines provide ARTIFICIAL support, not LIFE support.  Harvesting is no longer the term used for organ donors.  It is referred to as the "recovery" of organs.  You must completely understand this before donation can even be introduced to a family.
  
monfrancom  #290538  Wed, 08 Nov 06 08:06 AM

Indeed Raiden005, "organ donation" does define your "humanity". IT means that you would rather that your government invest 50 000$ in butchering dead bodies for the rich rather than... feeding the poor! Is THAT not what your Jesus Christ wish for all of humanity to do? Serve the poor? How many poor people could $50 000 feed? I just read a request for donations from the Ottawa Mission House. For $2.30 they will serve a nutritious meal to a needy person... mmm... street person with no money, home, heat, water, toilet, etc., or others who have a place but not enough for basic needs. So, your humanity is to extend the life of one person, five people, rather than... how many? Do the calculations. For $120 a person can be dressed to deal with the winter here: it's reached below 0 Celcius already (32 Farenheit empirial system). There have been snow storms in various parts. Would you prefer they freeze so the 75 year old have an extra... week? month? year?

I accept my finality. I will die. And, mmm, so will you.

But hey, if you, in your heart of hearts, believe that that $50 000, or $100 000, because if that blood type needed is in California, but you're in New York, they got to fly it out there, right? then go ahead and give your body parts. I also respect freedom, even when I don't agree!

  
nona the brit  #290631  Wed, 08 Nov 06 12:08 PM

You could say that about any expensive medical procedure though, not just organ donation. Should we stop giving dialysis and feed people instead of saving those individual lives? Let premature babies die and give homeless people coats instead? Stop spending years rehabilitating people with broken spines and give the money to charity instead? Let those who are old with alzeimers and are unable to care for themselves just die of neglect rather than spend the money keeping one person alive  and paying for all the care they will need for years, so that the money can go to a lot of young people instead?

Every medical procedure benefits one person. Many of them are very expensive. To be consistant in your argument then you shouldn't just be anti-transplant. You should be anti any treatment or care for one individual that will end up costing over $50,000.

If the medical system in your country is set up so that the rich live and the poor die that is a problem with the medical system in your country, not an issue of morals connected to any particular medical treatment. In my country everyone gets equal and free access to medical treatment. You'd get a transplant as soon as a matching organ is available for you no matter what your background. Don't mix up two separate issues.

  
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Fuwano Shouta  #292003  Sat, 11 Nov 06 11:41 PM
For myself, I feel that once I no longer have a use for my body, I would love to give what is useful from it to others so that they may prolong their own lives. I am not an ancient Egyptian that believes that I need my body once my "natural life" has come to an end, so I see no reason not to donate. As to live organ transplants (Meaning of Life haha), I would only do it for someone very close.

As to Nona's points, I completely agree with everything you said. It is a little sad that most people don't have such a strong philosophical argument to back them up on such an issue.
  
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Anonymous  #293600  Wed, 15 Nov 06 07:43 PM

ok i am a 16 year old  and  i am doing report on the views of donating organs can you explain what you mean or in teenage lingo could you dumb it down so i can understand what your view is Smile [:)]

if you would e-mail me and help me out that would be great

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Anonymous  #295698  Tue, 21 Nov 06 01:33 AM
Donating your organs is very important. Your going to be DEAD. Why not help save someone's life?? My mom is a reciepent. SHE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT AMAZING DONOR. I'm so greatful for that. How can you ever thank anyone for that?!? Put yourself in the situation...Yes, of course it's very scary to donate your organs when your alive, but it would be worth it. My mom is also currently waiting for a kidney transplant...she has a living donor..just waiting for the goe on that! PROMOTE ORGAN DONATION!
  
Anonymous  #298544  Tue, 28 Nov 06 04:28 PM

Okay, I don't know what book you read about organ donation, but if you donate an organ, it is going to be one that you don't absolutely HAVE to have. It would be just like having your appendix out. And if you give any organ that you don't need, it isn't going to be until after you are dead and then it won't really matter anyway. What if you were dying from kidney failure or something and nobody would donate a kidney because they felt it was "unnatural" or because they were scared. If it were someone I were close to, I would be highly offended. Yeah, it may hurt a little but people have plastic surgery everyday just so that they can feel better about themselves. If they can go through the pain of plastic surgery, I think you will be okay from saving a life.

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