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Anonymous  #479545  Thu, 21 Feb 08 12:22 AM
 Hello! There is an expression "an evil eye". But when one wants to ward off the evil eye - how can it be put in words? When one knocks at the wood and says"tfu-tfu" - what phrase may be said in this case?
  
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Clive  #479562  Thu, 21 Feb 08 01:42 AM

Hi,

There is an expression "an evil eye". We usually speak of 'the evil eye.'

But when one wants to ward off the evil eye - how can it be put in words? When one knocks at the wood and says"tfu-tfu" We don't normally say this in English when we knock on wood.

- what phrase may be said in this case? People used to say 'God willing', but I don't hear that much anymore. We just knock, and don't usually say anything.

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Anonymous  #479566  Thu, 21 Feb 08 01:54 AM
 Thanks a lot, Clive! I just need it for some translation, so it must be said something. Well, let it be "God willing".
  
khoff  #479618  Thu, 21 Feb 08 04:51 AM

I would just say "knock wood" (or "knock on wood").  Or, if you are translating within a Jewish context, you could just  transliterate and say "keyn aynhora."  (The way I'm used to hearing it, the pronunciation is more like "kin-anorra")

Here's what Wikipedia says:

 Ashkenazi Jews in Europe and the Americas routinely exclaim Keyn aynhoreh! (also spelled Kein ayin hara!), meaning "No evil eye!" in Yiddish, to ward off a jinx after something or someone has been rashly praised or good news has been spoken aloud.

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I would use "God willing" in a different context than "knock wood."

What a beautiful baby - "knock on wood" (or "keyn aynhora"!)

The doctor says I can leave the hospital tomorrow -- God willing!

  
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Feebs11  #479719  Thu, 21 Feb 08 10:54 AM
 To ward off bad luck, we look something made of wood, touch it, and say "Touch wood". I would say that most modern Britons do not consciously believe and the evil eye.

 

Incidentally - sying "tfui-tfui" is a polite form of what originally [and in some places still is]  spitting, usually in the direction of the person believed to have the evil eye. 

  
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nona the brit  #479875  Thu, 21 Feb 08 04:16 PM

My mum does it and says 'touch wood'.

If she is feeling particularly superstitious she says 'touch wood and whistle' and follows it with a couple of little whistles.

To be honest, (and without wanting to be too rude about my mum) it's only really old people/superstitious people who do this nowadays.

I can't think of anyone else I know who does it other than as a joke.

  
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Feebs11  #479955  Thu, 21 Feb 08 07:54 PM
 I meet it in all ages and walks of life - whether superstitious and not obviously superstitious.Wink  Like so many of these popular spells, it depends on whether the children see their elders doing it.
  
Iren  #480014  Thu, 21 Feb 08 10:06 PM
 Thanks to everyone for help! No, it's not a Jewish context, so "keyn aynhora" won't do (though I know what it means). Now I must think and choose either "God willing" or "knock on wood/touch wood".

By the way, I think whistling may be used instead of "tfu-tfu" in this case.

 

PS: "Anonymous" - that's me.

  
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Clive  #480020  Thu, 21 Feb 08 10:22 PM

Hi,

When I was a child, we used to say "DV', pronounced deevee. I didn't know what this meant at the time, but years later when I learned some Latin I discovered that it means 'Deo Volente' (God willing).

Clive

  
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