An overtime or a overtime?^_^

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soochu  #21809  Mon, 09 Feb 04 03:09 AM
an overtime or a overtime?^_^
  
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Mike in Japan  #21810  Mon, 09 Feb 04 04:21 AM
Neither Soochu.
'Overtime' is an uncountable noun, so we would say some/a lot of/a little/etc. overtime.
P.S. If it WERE countable we would say 'an' because overtime begins with a vowel.
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Guest  #21814  Mon, 09 Feb 04 04:52 AM
How do I figure out whether a noun is countable or uncountable? I've come across some nouns which I found pretty confusing. for eg. Water- Is said to be uncountable. Why is it so? We can count water. ! ltr, 2 litres, 3 litres... I thought "overtime" was countable too... I worked 3 hours overtime. Isn't it countable? Help appreciated.

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whl626  #21819  Mon, 09 Feb 04 07:46 AM
I worked 3 hours overtime. ( The ' overtime ' here is ' adverb ' ) to mean how you work.

water is uncountable noun, that's why we say 2 litres of water not 2 litres waters

but waters with s means the ocean on the shore of a country.

eg. A pirate ship has encroached the waters of Thailand.


To know if a noun is countable or uncountable, you have no choice but to rely on Dictionary.
  
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Mike in Japan  #21822  Mon, 09 Feb 04 08:22 AM
WHL, yes overtime is a noun AND an adverb, well spotted!!
I did three hours of overtime. or I did a lot of overtime. noun
I worked three hours overtime. or I worked overtime for three hours. adverb
  
rommie  #21831  Mon, 09 Feb 04 10:12 AM
You're counting litres there, dude, not waters. All that that proves is that LITRE is countable.

Figuring out if something is countable or not is easy. Just fit the word into the blank spaces in the following. If what you end up with makes sense, the word is countable, otherwise it isn't:

One _____, two _____s, three _____s, four _____s, etc.

(That's a plural form after two, three and four).

BUT....

Contrary to what most people will tell you, *ANY* noun can, in theory at least, be used either countably or continuously. Water may be officially uncountable, but I can still sit down at a restaurant and order "Two beers, three cokes and two waters". Humans may be countable, but I can still say There is some human in you after all". It's not that there's no clear division, it's that there's no division at all. There is a default for most things (fruit=continuous, veg=countable)*, but you can override the default by how you use the word in a sentence.

Rommie

* whoever thought that up should be shot.
  
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Mike in Japan  #21833  Mon, 09 Feb 04 10:24 AM
Yes, we can use units or measures when we need to quantify uncountables.
Three LITRES of water.
Two LOAVES of bread.
Six HOURS of overtime.
In these cases we are, as Rommie said, counting the units used to quantify the uncountable.
  
Believer  #234422  Sat, 10 Jun 06 03:05 AM

Hi,

THANK YOU.

Can you expand, if possible, on your explanation that there is a defualt for most things but you can override the default by how you use the word in a sentence.

  
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RedPenCJ  #234497  Sat, 10 Jun 06 06:51 AM

For example:

"The baseball game went into overtime because the score was tied at the end of nine innings."   It is a sports reference

Equally correct, in a different context, is,

"I have been working overtime this week."

And...

"Today was an overtime day for me."

(You use an not a because overtime begins with a vowel).

  
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