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jeff_999

#126895 Sun, 14 Aug 05 02:06 PM

VOTING: ROLL CALL = termination: cloture

Can you see the relationship expressed in the lower-case pair is the same as the one expressed in the capital pair?
Thank you so much.

jeff_999

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julielai

#126911 Sun, 14 Aug 05 03:08 PM

Cloture: the termination of debate in a legislative body especially by calling for a vote

Roll call is one way of voting. Cloture is a special form of termination...

hmmm...perhaps someone else can spot the relationship right off. I can't.

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jeff_999

#126923 Sun, 14 Aug 05 04:05 PM

Thank you again.

But I don't get it when you said "roll call is one way of voting". How could roll call be a voting? As far as I know, roll call only means the action of reading aloud of a list of names of people, or a form listing people's names.

jeff_999

davkett

#126929 Sun, 14 Aug 05 04:39 PM

With Julielai's definitions, I would conclude that...

'Voting' is to 'roll call' what 'termination' is to 'cloture'.

In this case, the reference is a 'roll-call vote'--a special form of voting where the name of each person in the voting pool is called out loud for a vocal response from that individual of 'aye' or 'nay'.

Thus, roll call is a special type of voting, and cloture is a special form of termination.

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jeff_999

#127104 Mon, 15 Aug 05 03:40 AM

a 'roll-call vote'--a special form of voting where the name of each person in the voting pool is called out loud for a vocal response from that individual of 'aye' or 'nay'.

Thanks for this explanation.

I got it. Smile [:)]

jeff_999

julielai

#127108 Mon, 15 Aug 05 04:37 AM

I missed the legislative connection.

Both roll call and cloture are oral parliamentary procedures, while voting and termination are generic terms.

julielai

jeff_999

#127148 Mon, 15 Aug 05 08:38 AM

So it brings them even more closer. Smile [:)]

Thank you.

But I am still waiting you to lend me the hand on that "sentence completion question". Please gimme details on that "solemn and binding undertakings" thing, could you?

jeff_999