Learn English and meet people on the world’s largest EFL social network

We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!

Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com


Share this topic:
This question is Not Answered
Latest post Mon, Dec 26 2005 12:49 PM by Sam C. 4 replies.
Suggest an answer | | |
How2die  +  174498 Mon, 26 Dec 05 07:49 AM

A student and a teacher at Middle School died in car accidents within weeks of each other. Jason Soury, the student, died on Oct. 3, and Maberliz Castillo, the teacher, on Oct. 28. (from NYTimes.com)

BUT

And that was a puzzle to 19th-century disciples of Charles Darwin, such as Herbert Spencer. It was Spencer, an early contributor to The Economist, who invented that poisoned phrase, “survival of the fittest”. (from Economist.com)

Could anyone help with the choice of the articles here. Please? I am sort of aware about the special usage of articles in apposition. Usually it is an 'a'. However, as far as I understood it before stumbling on the latter example, 'the' must be used if the noun is already known to the audience. Hence my confustion as Spencer is mentioned in the first sentence.

Thanks a lot,
Al
. 

Joined on Mon, Dec 26 2005
nz
New Member 11
nona the brit  +  174518 Mon, 26 Dec 05 09:38 AM

The difference is that in the first example both people are clearly defined and are the only ones we are talking about.

In the second sentence, Darwin is only one of many contributors to the Economist. If we change it to 'the early contributor' it would mean he was the only early contributor.

Joined on Wed, Sep 22 2004
England
Veteran Member 11,743
The name says it all.
How2die  +  174548 Mon, 26 Dec 05 11:41 AM

Nah... does not look that easy Stick out tongue [:P]

First of all, the people are clearly defined in both examples, not only in the first one. In the former we are talking about Jason Soury and in the latter - Herbert Spencer. So no difference.

About your second remark. True, Spencer is not the only contributor to the magazine, but so is Soury: he is not the only student in the world. No difference here either.

What I am saying is that there must be some difference between those examples, but I cant see it. Are they both appositives?

 

Diamondrg  +  174551 Mon, 26 Dec 05 12:14 PM

Hi, How2die.

I really don't see what you're trying to do. Nona's explanation is enough to explain why the and an is used there. And it is really that simple. And what does that Nah mean? (I hope you are not Turkish because that is a swear word in Turkish.)

Joined on Fri, Dec 2 2005
Contributing Member 1,043
Sam C  +  174562 Mon, 26 Dec 05 12:49 PM
 How2die wrote:
About your second remark. True, Spencer is not the only contributor to the magazine, but so is Soury: he is not the only student in the world. No difference here either.

in the first example, only two people are under discussion, not the whole world.  out of those two, Soury is the only student, the student.  if a third student had died, giving us two altogether, Soury would be 'one of the (two) students'.

sam, agreeing that article use is not simple.

Joined on Mon, Dec 19 2005
New Member 45
© MediaCet Ltd. 2009, v5.0.3598.39794. All content posted by our users is a contribution to the public domain, this does not include imported usenet posts.*
For web related enquires please contact us on webmaster@mediacet.com, status updates are available at status.mediacet.com.
*Usenet post removal: Use 'X-No-Archive'. You may not have understood that your posts would end up in the public domain. Please send proof of the poster's email, we will remove immediately.