Anonymous  +  610869 Sun, 14 Dec 08 11:53 AM "Kiss whom goodbye. It is rarely heard in conversation now, and just about never in clause-initial position." G K Pullum Anonymous Whom, Clauses, Writing, Friendships, Speaking, Chat, Conversational

	Grammar Geek  +  610935 Sun, 14 Dec 08 04:41 PM Did you have some sort of question about this? Grammar Geek Joined on Tue, Jan 10 2006 Veteran Member 19,650 Barbara, who answers in American English. My housekeeping skills attest to the truth of the second law of thermodynamics: Left to themselves, things get more and more random!

	Kooyeen  +  610953 Sun, 14 Dec 08 05:27 PM False. I use it pretty often, for example: Whom I'd of done such a thing? Whom est up my room? What a mess! Kooyeen Joined on Thu, Dec 22 2005 Italy Senior Member 4,966 Parental Advisory / Explicit Posts Whom

	MrPedantic  +  611022 Sun, 14 Dec 08 09:54 PM Anonymous “Kiss whom goodbye. It is rarely heard in conversation now ” Certainly it's an unusual collocation. But perhaps: Middle-aged mother to son, deciding to come clean at last, as "Uncle" Frank prepares to depart: "Aren't you going to kiss your father goodbye, darling?" Son: "Kiss whom goodbye?" ” MrP MrPedantic Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004 Veteran Member 12,592 ...opella forensis / adducit febris...

	Forbes  +  611037 Sun, 14 Dec 08 10:47 PM I am ready to kiss it goodbye in some situations. I would never say: "Whom did you meet?", but I do use it after prepositions, though I am probably more likely to use the inverted form e.g. "Who by?" Anyway, I don't think G K Pullum should be laying down the law on the matter. Let those who want to carry on using it do so. Forbes Joined on Thu, Jun 16 2005 Regular Member 895 Prepositions, Whom

	MrPedantic  +  611060 Mon, 15 Dec 08 12:12 AM Anonymous “ They'll become oddities. ” I'm reminded of an episode at another forum. MrP   MrPedantic