PASTEL  +  228376 Wed, 24 May 06 09:15 AM 1-This is the watch as I lost. 2-This is the watch that I lost. As and that are so-called relative pronouns in this case. The first one indicates that I lost a watch and the style of the watch is similar with or the same to yours. The second one tells that I lost a watch and there's a watch right in the front. This is the one I lost. Any comment? One more question, If there is slight difference between the example sentences above, what about the following sentences, 3- He answered the same way as you did. 4- He answered the same way that you did. Do they convey the same meaning? Thanks, Pastel PASTEL Joined on Thu, Jul 1 2004 Regular Member 547 Difference Between, Nouns, Pronouns, Relative Pronouns

	Inchoateknowledge  +  228446 Wed, 24 May 06 11:01 AM 'This is the watch as I lost' -- this sentence is false. 'He answered the same way that you did' -- same meaning they convey to me. Inchoate Inchoateknowledge Joined on Wed, May 3 2006 Senior Member 2,549 Beep! Beep! :)

	Marius Hancu  +  228485 Wed, 24 May 06 12:59 PM  Inchoateknowledge wrote: 'This is the watch as I lost' -- this sentence is false. No, it is dialect. In some dialects as = that ------- as : THAT -- used to introduce a noun clause and now dialect except in certain negative expressions with know, say, or see that have wide usage in informal speech <he said as he would come> <I don't know as it makes any difference> c dialect : in so far as : THAT -- used to introduce an adverbial clause <he hasn't come out again as I've seen> Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com ------------- Marius Hancu Joined on Wed, Apr 26 2006 Veteran Member 11,673 Clauses, Nouns, Negatives, Dialects

	PASTEL  +  228625 Wed, 24 May 06 05:14 PM I apologize. I happen to leave something out of this sentence. 1- This is the same watch as I lost. 2- This is the same watch that I lost. Do they mean the same? PASTEL

	Marius Hancu  +  228626 Wed, 24 May 06 05:17 PM Yes, read the above, they are the same even now. but >I happen to have left something out of this sentence. Marius Hancu

	PASTEL  +  229018 Thu, 25 May 06 07:49 PM 1- This is the same watch as I lost. 2- This is the same watch that I lost. One of my grammar books says that the first one refers to a similar type of the watch that looks like the one I lost, whereas the second one refers to the watch that I lost, exactly the same one. I need your help. Thanks, Pastel PASTEL Grammar

	Marius Hancu  +  229023 Thu, 25 May 06 07:55 PM  PASTEL wrote: 1- This is the same watch as I lost. 2- This is the same watch that I lost. One of my grammar books says that the first one refers to a similar type of the watch that looks like the one I lost, whereas the second one refers to the watch that I lost, exactly the same one. OK, but in order for that 1 to have that meaning, I think it should be: 1- This is a watch as I the one I lost. You can't say similar when you have This is the same (which means identity) By whom is this grammar book written? Title? Marius Hancu Grammar, Whom

	PASTEL  +  229524 Sat, 27 May 06 07:04 AM Dear Marius Hancu, Thanks for replying. The book I'm reading is called 'Treasury of English Grammar,' written by a Taiwanese. I think I get your meaning but there's something that I would like to know. Scenario 1 Marius has a cell phone, Nokia 007. I have the same one too. Last night, I lost my cell phone and I think it's gone forever. This morning, I met Marius at the corner cafe. I saw his cell phone and I said, Pastel: Bad news, Marius! I lost my cell phone! Marius: I'm sorry to hear that. But what is your phone brand? Pastel: (Taking a look at Marius's cell phone.) ARRRRRG, THIS IS THE SAME ONE(Nokia 007) I LOST. Marius: Does that make sense? PASTEL Grammar, English Grammar