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maverick88  #63411  Sat, 25 Dec 04 11:58 PM
1) What is the difference between:
Assume,presume,suppose
I think "suppose" implies about thoughs more than the others.
Please tell me what do you think {2)In slang I sometimes hear the "do" like in this sentence obviated. Is the "do" essential here?}

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CalifJim  #63417  Sun, 26 Dec 04 01:02 AM
When you presume something, you guess that it is reasonable or possible without full knowledge.
When you suppose something, you hesitantly and objectively subscribe to its likelihood, sometimes out of seeming disinterest.
When you assume something, you take it for granted without proof but sometimes on safe, if incomplete, grounds.

(American Heritage Dictionary)

"Please tell me what you think" is the correct form. It is obligatory to remove the "do"!
Neither form is slang. One is right; the other is wrong.

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maverick88  #63483  Sun, 26 Dec 04 01:07 PM
I can't catch on to the difference between "suppose" and "presume", can put a few examples please? A dictionary I fould I net. says: suppose = presume to be true. Is it relevant?
Thanks and another auestion: which one is correct:
1) Nobody knows who was he.
1) Nobody knows who he was.

I know that it's a stupid question but I am confusedSmile [:)]
  
CalifJim  #63525  Sun, 26 Dec 04 05:40 PM
The three are very close in meaning. "Presume" is probably less used than the other two.

"Presuming" is often considered a negative. It's not considered good behavior to be presumptuous.

"I don't know what Mary's problem is. She just presumes I have nothing to do but help her whenever she needs something done."

"Don't presume that Robert will come with us. He's very busy with other matters just now."

"assume" could substitute for "presume" in either of the two statements above - "suppose" less convincingly.

In mathematics, "Suppose that line AB intersects line CD". "assume" can substitute for "suppose", but not "presume".

Of the three, "presume" is the least objective, the most involved with personal interrelationships.

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CalifJim  #63527  Sun, 26 Dec 04 05:57 PM
Use subject-verb inversion and do-support with main clauses which ask questions (unless questioning the subject, of course).
Do not use inversion with the corresponding subordinate clauses (indirect questions).

Who was he? / Nobody knows who he was.
What did you put on the shelf? / I don't know what you put on the shelf.
Where has he gone? / I'll bet you can't guess where he has gone.
What is the difference between these methods? / I can see that you have no idea what the difference is between these methods.
Why did he leave everything on the table? / We were unable to determine why he left everything on the table.
Are you concerned that you won't pass the test? / I wonder if you are concerned that you won't pass the test. [Note the addition of "if" when transforming a yes-no question to an indirect question structure.]
When will the documents be ready? / In our office there is complete confusion about when the documents will be ready.
Can you see it? / I have no idea whether you can see it. [Note "whether", which can substitute for "if" in these constructions.]
How much was that package of ribbons? / The clerk had to find out how much that package of ribbons was.

In my experience what bothers learners most about these patterns is a form of the verb "to be" left at the end of the sentence. I don't know why. It is correct!

I don't know [what the problem is / where John was / who the strangers were / how much it is ].

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maverick88  #63551  Sun, 26 Dec 04 10:57 PM
A: "Does someone know who the burglars were?"
B: "Who were they?"
A: " Why do YOU ask me who the were? You should tell me the answer!!!"

Completely senseless conversation but I would like these sentences to be checked anyway. {Is this sentence correct ???}

Thanks in advance
  
CalifJim  #63555  Sun, 26 Dec 04 11:46 PM
All three correct!

(I'm sure you meant "who they were" on the last line.)

It's a bit more idiomatic to ask (first sentence) "Does anyone know who ..."

Good work.
  
maverick88  #63629  Mon, 27 Dec 04 01:11 PM
Yeah it should have been "theY".
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maverick88  #63730  Mon, 27 Dec 04 11:42 PM
1# Who were the burglars?
2# Does anyone know who the burglars were?

What is the grammatical rules for the structure of these sentences. I mean when I say "who are you" and (the incorrect form) "who you are". So in which cases the verb be (are\is\was\whatever) comes after the noun and in which before?
thank you
  
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