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julielai  #54965  Fri, 12 Nov 04 04:24 PM
Nona,

I'm not defending the word "gourmet"; I am merely defending my right to invent new words.






  
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arobertson  #54977  Fri, 12 Nov 04 05:56 PM
The majority of people struggle with the ambiguity of existing words. Choosing the most appropriate existing word is probably harder than coming up with a new one. There is a product called "Dairly Lea Lunchables". So "Lunchable" does exist at least in the consumer world. However it may not have the sort of association you were looking for. I reckon you can get away with "gourmet" as a shorthand for "gourmet food" or "gourmet cuisine".

PS I can't help you with the autobiographical side of things. The right to invent new words is absolutant and should not be impingled by any mortifallible humanate. Modifiers... Perhaps a thread on neologisms could be forthcoming (assuming of course there isn't one already)?
  
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anon1  #54984  Fri, 12 Nov 04 06:47 PM
Julielai,

(I assume you mean "marked", not "market"?)


Yes, you assume correctly. Please note that I had corrected your prior post too, which had a few typos. You'll see an "edited" comment in your post without the date and time stamp. It was corrected last night. I easily understood your message, so I took the liberty of quickly correcting a couple typos. I could make a further comment, but I'll stop here.

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julielai  #54990  Fri, 12 Nov 04 07:12 PM
I appreciate the help, though I prefer to edit my own posts.

You typed your last message in a hurry. (hint hint)
  
anon1  #54999  Fri, 12 Nov 04 07:39 PM
Julielai,

I am not sure where you want to take this conversation.

Let me state my position clearly.

You are more than welcome in the forum. Your participation is encouraged, especially when helping others learn English. Please keep in mind that many people reading this forum are learning English as a second language and non-standard English only serves to confuse them. From what I have seen, you do have a strong command of English and are capable of providing excellent assistance.

That said, if I find that you have zigged when you should have zagged, I am going to comment. This is not meant to be harsh. Rather, I am clarifying your post so that other people learning the language can more readily understand. When I goof, I am fully accepting of others, including you, correcting my errors. We can all continue to learn. No big deal.

The whole purpose of this forum is to create a community of people helping people. There are two strong guiding principles. One, the person who is providing advice should have a reasonable grasp of English. And two, everyone should contribute to a strong sense of community. The latter principle is most important.

I have zero desire to play typo tag with you. I find that wasteful.

I hope you find this message beneficial.

MountainHiker
  
julielai  #55007  Fri, 12 Nov 04 08:31 PM
I have no desire to play typo tag with you either. I was simply making a point -- it's hard to catch our own errors. It's not a native speaker/ESL student thing, and writing is more than just catching errors.

I've studied English as a second language. Back when I was growing up, correctness was overemphasized, and often at the expense of other aspects of writing. Now I see the end result of it: I go back to my hometown and I read essays that are incoherent, illogical, or poor in content. And those essays get A's.

And worse still, wealthy parents, who are fed up with the current English teaching methods, send their Chinese kids to international schools to learn English as a first language, leaving poorer kids behind in public schools.

Having witnessed all these changes in my hometown the past year, I've come to believe more in communicative effectiveness, and not standard/correct English per se. From what I've seen this past year, most ESL learners already care too much about correctness.

See? Just a different point of view.

I'll be glad to share more ESL stories, but I think I've said enough for now.
  
anon1  #55020  Fri, 12 Nov 04 09:32 PM
Julielai,

As far as the socioeconomic aspects of your post are concerned, I have no opinion. I don't care if the person I am helping is rich or poor; black or white or yellow or purple or any other color. I don't care about their nationality nor their upbringing. I don’t care about the person is a he or she, short or tall, thin or fat. I don't care about their previous teachers or their prior experiences. I don't care about their past essays or their past marks. I don't care if they skipped school or were writing champions. None of this makes any difference to me.

All I care about in this forum is that people learn by putting forward a strong effort. While content is important, a student needs to learn the basics as well. Without the basic constructs, students are unable to express more complex thoughts in a coherent and easily understood fashion. And unfortunately, when we have gaffes in our writing, other people notice our gaffes and then tend to dismiss the rest of our message. Fair or not, that’s reality.

So I am going to continue to emphasize correctness. I am not going to skip over something that is overtly incorrect because most of us can decipher the author’s true intent. I am going to call it out and correct it. It’s important.

Judging by the reaction your post has received, you can see that correctness plays an important role. Inappropriate or incorrect words catch people’s attention.

So this isn’t just a different opinion or different point of view. Rather, this is about trying your best. If you know something is incorrect, then change it. I reject argument that content is more important than grammatical structure because the latter is just mechanics. They are both important and you need to do both well in order to communicate effectively.

MountainHiker
  
julielai  #55023  Fri, 12 Nov 04 10:00 PM
We can quibble about this forever and ever. This is rather pointless.

People who will agree with me already do, and those who won't, won't.

As long as we practise what we preach, we are trying our best.

I wasn't playing typo tag, by the way. I actually had a question about your past perfect tenses.









  
anon1  #55028  Fri, 12 Nov 04 10:17 PM
Julielai,

If you have a question about tenses, then by all means ask away.

You've expressed your point of view and I've expressed mine. Though I don't agree with your viewpoint on grammar versus content, I do think you put forward your arguments in a well written fashion. I think that is fair.

I know your position, and you know mine.

Peace!

MountainHiker
  
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