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redkiddy  #253675  Tue, 08 Aug 06 02:41 PM

Are you going to ask him for help?       Will you ask him for help?

I think He will find her name.                 I think he is going to find her name.  ( "I think " sentences I have seen both tense uses)

Which ones  are true?

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CalifJim  #253697  Tue, 08 Aug 06 03:48 PM
True?

Questions can't be true or false.
In the cases of "I think", if you really do think those things, then the sentences are true.
If you do not think those things, then the sentences are false, and you are lying about what you think.

(All are correct, however.)

Be careful.  true and correct do not mean the same thing.  Smile [:)]

See also Post Post:69510.

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redkiddy  #253699  Tue, 08 Aug 06 03:53 PM

Thanks CaliffJim

These ones were questions in one of the english learning sites,,,,,,,, according to them one is correct.( and no other explanations sentences were there.)

  
CalifJim  #253700  Tue, 08 Aug 06 03:55 PM
No context given?  That's strange.

CJ

  
Pastsimple  #253738  Tue, 08 Aug 06 05:39 PM
 CalifJim wrote:
True?

All are correct, however.

CJ



Hi CJ,

Does Will you ask him for help? imply I'll be happy if you do (ask him) or I want you to ask him? I'd say so.

Also, there's no such implication in Are you going to ask him for help?, isn't it?

What about Will you be asking him for help? The future progressive tense does remove the above implications but isn't it too unnatural in this example? Would you as a native speaker use it?



  
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CalifJim  #253776  Tue, 08 Aug 06 07:18 PM
Does Will you ask him for help? imply I'll be happy if you do (ask him) or I want you to ask him? I'd say so.

No.  imply is too strong a word.  There is a reading of 1 below which means essentially the same as 2 below, but another reading of 1 which means essentially 3.

1  Will you ask him for help?
2  Would you (please) ask him for help? / Could you (please) ask him for help?
3  Do you intend to ask him for help?  /  Are you going to ask him for help?  / Is it your decision to ask him for help?

This is a matter of using the same words with different shades of meaning in different situations, not a matter of one statement implying another.

Are you going to ask him for help? cannot take the reading in 2, no.  At least I can't think of a context where that makes sense.

So in this particular choice, the questioner may show a bit more self-interest by using the will form.  I don't think this should be taken as a universal fact which differentiates the two forms, however.

Addition of the progressive just increases the "liveliness" or "descriptiveness" of the action of asking.  It does strongly mask any tendency to read it as in 2 above, as you say.   Curiously, what is added (on one possible reading)  is an element of prying - and the idea of self-interest again. 

Will you be ...ing? --  Because if so, could you ... for me, too?

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Pastsimple  #253781  Tue, 08 Aug 06 07:24 PM
OK. Thanks, CJ.

And what about Will you be asking him for help? Wink [;)]
  
CalifJim  #253785  Tue, 08 Aug 06 07:34 PM
I added more to the previous post.  I wasn't quite finished thinking it through!  Smile [:)]
CJ

  
MichalS  #253824  Tue, 08 Aug 06 10:06 PM
Hi,

As far as I know, future continous may also add some politeness to the questions. For example:

Will you still be needing your car today?

That would be a very formal and polite question.

  
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