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Osee  #321825  Tue, 30 Jan 07 06:20 AM

It seems to me that the following sentences display different meanings of "be supposed to,"(do you agree with this?) but I can not understand them very clear. Could you explain them? Thanks a lot.

Is this supposed to be surprising to me?

I am supposed to do that.

BTW, can you give me some examples where this phrase is used normally by native english speaker? Thank you very much.

  
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Marius Hancu  #321826  Tue, 30 Jan 07 06:24 AM
Try these many threads:

http://www.englishforums.com/search/supposed+.htm

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CalifJim  #321866  Tue, 30 Jan 07 09:05 AM
Both usages have to do with expectations, so they are not really so very different in meaning.

Is this supposed to be surprising to me?    Do you expect that this is surprising to me?
I am supposed to do that.  It is expected (People expect) that I will do that.  I am obligated to do that.

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J Lewis  #321895  Tue, 30 Jan 07 11:55 AM
Hi Calif Jim!
Is "obligated" really a word? I would say "obliged". Or is it a question of AmE/BrE?
  
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Marius Hancu  #321988  Tue, 30 Jan 07 03:48 PM
 J Lewis wrote:
Hi Calif Jim!
Is "obligated" really a word? I would say "obliged". Or is it a question of AmE/BrE?
It seems that it is correct for you to say "obliged" in the UK and that is different in the US.

However, it  also seems it  may be required in  formal contexts  even in  the UK. I'll try to dig more ...
 
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oblige (FORCE)  

verb [T + object + to infinitive] (MAINLY US OR FORMAL obligate)
to force someone to do something, or to make it necessary for someone to do something:

The law obliges companies to pay decent wages to their employees.
Sellers are not legally obliged to accept the highest offer.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=54707&dict=CALD
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Marius Hancu  #321990  Tue, 30 Jan 07 03:52 PM
More on obligate/oblige:

According to this US source, they are synonyms only in the meaning 3b:

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obligate   

Function:transitive verb

Etymology:Latin obligatus, past participle of obligare to oblige -- more at OBLIGE

1
obsolete : BIND, FASTEN

2 a : to pledge as security b : to assign or commit (as funds) to meet a particular obligation <the treasury had obligated anticipated receipts from the new tax>

3 a : to constrain or bind to some course of action (as by legal measures, moral or social considerations, or force of circumstances) <obligated to pay alimony> <community life obligates each of us to certain restraints and conformities> b : OBLIGE 3a <hoping to obligate enough of his colleagues to put over the measure> <I don't like to be obligated to anybody>

4
: to put under a promise, vow, or oath especially as part of a ceremony of initiation into an organization

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (30 Jan. 2007).
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According to the SOED, obligate still exists in BrE with the formal meaning at 3, but not the one at 4:

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obligate

1-2 (obsolete meanings)

3 Bind a person (morally or legally). Usually in passive, be bound or compelled (to do).

4. Confer a favor on, place under an obligation; oblige. Usually in passive. Now chiefly dialect and North America.

Shorter Oxford English Dictionary
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Osee  #322233  Wed, 31 Jan 07 03:15 AM

thanks, you guys

  
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