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Rho  #144760  Wed, 05 Oct 05 11:43 AM
So am I :)
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Don't forget my questions, too, MrX ;-)Did you say: ask me everything, didn't you ?

{Q1}. Are you intentionally ignoring the difference between 'before/after' as an adverb and 'before/after' as a conjunction ?

{Q2}. If you are teaching English in Kyoto you must be using some textbook. Please mention that textbook.
Seems ...umm... quite interesting.

(Drop me a line when you have spare time. If you prefer, you can answer me by email. I'm not in a hurry.)
  
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Wwwdotcom  #144791  Wed, 05 Oct 05 01:33 PM
Rho,

Ok, this is obvious you are not being honest and sincere.  You are intentionally playing dumb.  You seem to be convinced that I have some "source" which I am not divulging.  I have presented examples and given various explanations.

If you still want to antagonize someone, email about.com

"These type of clauses are often called "time clauses" in English grammar books and follow specific patterns. Take a look at the chart below to study the various usage of different time expressions."

http://esl.about.com/library/grammar/blgr_adverbclauses_time.htm

With pictures http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/esladjadv.html

I also like this one http://www.ccsn.nevada.edu/english/lab/FRAGMNT.htm

"The adverb clause should be in the same sentence with the verb it modifies."
  
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Wwwdotcom  #144800  Wed, 05 Oct 05 01:58 PM
Conus Lotus,

The answer starts with you.  Make some sentences using "after" and "before".  We can better help you this way. 

What do you do after you wake up?  (you can answer this question or make up your own)
  
Conus Lotus  #144805  Wed, 05 Oct 05 02:13 PM
Thanks WWW.

I sincerely appreciate your effort.
I have no problem whatsoever with the usage of before or after, I just found your diagramming a bit puzzling.

Thanks Big Smile [:D]



  
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Wwwdotcom  #144808  Wed, 05 Oct 05 02:21 PM
Conus Lotus,

The post was not for you. Since you have asked, I will try to explain to you.  Posts are relative to the person you are posting to, so I can understand why you may not get the point I was making.

I was trying to explain why "before 10 years from now" isolates 10 specific years before some action might occur.  If you said "after 10 years", it does not isolate any time after 10 years.

If you rent a movie at a movie store, you usually have 2 or 3 days before you have to return the movie without a late fee.  That time is set by the store, and you are NOT charged with a late fee if you return the movie before the due date.  If you don't mind paying a late fee, you could return the movie after the due date.  This time is not set, and you could return the movie 3 days, 4 days, 5 days, etc.... after the due date and pay a late fee.  This time is not isolated, at least not until the action of returning the movie is completed.  Then, we can determine how long you had the movie after the due date.  However, the time before the due date is constant.  It is still 2 or 3 days.  Even if you returned the movie after just 1 night, you still would have had 1 or 2 more days you could have kept the movie before being charged with a late fee.
  
julielai  #144814  Wed, 05 Oct 05 02:31 PM

Hi guys,

We're just having a friendly discussion here.  No need to be worked up over it. Smile [:)]

  
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Wwwdotcom  #144816  Wed, 05 Oct 05 02:33 PM
julielai,

Hello, perhaps you can help in the matter.   What sources do you use to explain the use of after and before?

  
Rho  #144838  Wed, 05 Oct 05 03:24 PM
Rho, this is obvious you are not being honest and sincere.
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Hello MrX.
Your answer was just what I've been expected.
It's really silly of me. I deeply regret now that I butted in.






By the way my questions was:
{Q1}. Are you intentionally ignoring the difference between 'before/after' as an adverb and 'before/after' as a conjunction ?
{Q2}. If you are teaching English in Kyoto you must be using some textbook. Please mention that textbook.

If you have an additional answer please email me; otherwise I'm afraid I'll miss it.

  
Wwwdotcom  #144841  Wed, 05 Oct 05 03:30 PM
Rho,

Ok, I'll play your game.  Take your own medicine, fight fire with fire.

"{Q1}. Are you intentionally ignoring the difference between 'before/after' as an adverb and 'before/after' as a conjunction ?"

Are you intentionally making that assertion?  Before and After are different by definition.

"{Q2}. If you are teaching English in Kyoto you must be using some textbook. Please mention that textbook."

Do you have a source? Please tell me the source you use.
  
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