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Diamondrg  +  198720 Sun, 19 Feb 06 08:21 PM

What is the difference among them? Which one(s) would you use?

A. BEFORE

1- I brushed my teeth before I had gone to bed.

2- I brushed my teeth before I went to bed.

3- I had brushed my teeth before I went to bed.

B. AFTER

1- I went to bed after I had brushed my teeth.

2- I went to bed after I brushed my teeth.

3- I had gone to bed after I brushed my teeth.

additional questions:

a) Is it possible to use "past perfect" both in the main clause and in the subordinate clause (at the same time) in the sentences above?

b) Is it possible to use "past continuous"  either in the main clause or in the subordinate clause with "after" or "before"? 

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Clive  +  198753 Sun, 19 Feb 06 10:15 PM

Hi,

What is the difference among them? Which one(s) would you use?

A. BEFORE

1- I brushed my teeth before I had gone to bed. No reason to use PP. Just use simple past

2- I brushed my teeth before I went to bed. Yes

3- I had brushed my teeth before I went to bed. No reason to use PP, because sequence of events is clear withiout it. Just use simple past

B. AFTER

1- I went to bed after I had brushed my teeth. No reason to use PP. Just use simple past

2- I went to bed after I brushed my teeth. Yes

3- I had gone to bed after I brushed my teeth. No reason to use PP, because sequence of events is clear withiout it. Just use simple past

additional questions:

a) Is it possible to use "past perfect" both in the main clause and in the subordinate clause (at the same time) in the sentences above? ie 'I had brushed my teeth before I had gone to bed'. I suppose it's possible, but you really need a context where you want to stress that you did these things before some other event. eg

I accidentally went into the wrong bedroom and got into bed with our guest, my wife's beautiful friend from university. Fortunately, I had brushed my teeth before I had gone to bed, so she didn't tell me to get out of bed. Even here, I'd actually prefer simple past in before I went  to bed.

b) Is it possible to use "past continuous"  either in the main clause or in the subordinate clause with "after" or "before"? 

I was brushing my teeth before I went to bed. I guess you could say this. It stresses the duration of the brushing activity. It also focuses on the time of brushing, eg

I was brushing my teeth before I went to bed when suddenly there was an earthquake.

I brushed my teeth before I was going to bed. This sounds strange.

Best wishes, Clive

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Diamondrg, 3 yr 276 days ago
thank you so much.
milky  +  198917 Mon, 20 Feb 06 10:30 AM
 Clive wrote:

<3- I had brushed my teeth before I went to bed. No reason to use PP, because sequence of events is clear withiout it. Just use simple past >

Best wishes, Clive

How about here?

 I had brushed my teeth before I went to bed, but now they felt all furry again.

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goldmund  +  198982 Mon, 20 Feb 06 02:37 PM

Dear friends,

It is a question that I have seen already in a German forum. It is most interesting. Smile [:)]

It is my opinion however that it is not possible to say which sentence is correct. It is further my opinion that it is the greater perspective of the paragraph that we must consider in the choice of the past perfect. I have found examples:-

«As usual, I brushed my teeth before I went to bed and again, I used Mexican water. By the next morning we had stopped fighting and seemed to be having a good time.»

«I was pushing the call button on my portable phone trying to find where I left it. I heard it beeping from the bathroom. I had brushed my teeth before I left for the salon. The phone was on the sink. As I picked it up, I looked in the mirror to check my hair (since I got it styled after the trim) and then I realized.... I had my sunglasses on!»

I do not think we may use the past perfect in the first example or the past simple in the second example. But it is only my opinion. Smile [:)]

Kind regards, Smile [:)]

Goldmund

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Clive  +  199099 Mon, 20 Feb 06 09:53 PM

Hi guys,

 I had brushed my teeth before I went to bed, but now they felt all furry again. You can certainly say this. The PP is not necessary, as 'before' makes the timing obvious, but using PP adds emphasis to the timing. It's the speaker's choice in such a case.

I also very much agree with Goldmund's comment that It is further my opinion that it is the greater perspective of the paragraph that we must consider in the choice of the past perfect.

In Goldmund's two examples, particularly the second one, the PP is needed to make the timing clear.

Best wishes, Clive

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