"I don't believe such thing to exist." Is this sentence wrong?

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Viceidol  #513426  Wed, 14 May 08 06:25 AM
I don't believe such thing to exist.

This sentence comes from my dictionary, but I found it kind of weird. I've ask other people they say that it should be "I don't believe such a thing exists." May I ask is it true that the above sentence is wrong/a bad sentence?

I believe him to have passed the exam.

This one comes from my another dictionary. I'm still doubtful about its correctness. If this is correct, then can I say "I believe him to pass the exam."? (That's the same structure as the above one)

Please give me your opinion, thank you!!

 

  
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Creativeguru  #513428  Wed, 14 May 08 06:33 AM

I don't believe such thing to exist.>>> 'to exist' at the end of sentence does not sounds good,

It should be..... 

I don't believe that such things exist

I believe him to have passed the exam.>>In this sentence lots of complication

we can write in simple way

I believe he had passed the exam.

  
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CalifJim  #513439  Wed, 14 May 08 07:50 AM
 
Viceidol
I don't believe such thing to exist.

This sentence comes from my dictionary, but I found it kind of weird.

Yup.  It's weird.  And wrong.  It should be I don't believe such things exist or I don't believe such a thing exists.

Viceidol

I believe him to have passed the exam.

This one comes from my another dictionary. I'm still doubtful about its correctness.

It's fine.

Viceidol
If this is correct, then can I say "I believe him to pass the exam."?
Nope.

CJ 

  
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Avangi  #513445  Wed, 14 May 08 08:07 AM

I don't believe such thing to exist. 

It is uncommon, but it's really not all that different from "I don't want this thing to exist." (different verb, different adjective)   You can even let both these adjectives act as pronouns, and omit the "thing."  "I don't want this to exist."  "I don't want such to exist."

I believe him to have passed the exam.  I want / expect him to have passed the exam.  (i.e., no problem)

I believe him to pass the exam.  This is a logical problem.  You can't believe something that hasn't happened yet.  I want / expect him to pass the exam.

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Marius Hancu  #513548  Wed, 14 May 08 01:06 PM

 

I think this is correct:

I don't believe such thing to exist.

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Chaos of Disciplines - Page 190

by Andrew Delano Abbott, Andrew Abbott - Social Science - 2001 - 248 pages
 
What matters is by no means the absolute level — were any such thing to exist
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Avangi  #513607  Wed, 14 May 08 03:18 PM

Marius Hancu
I don't believe such thing to exist.

 — were any such thing to exist — 

I think it likes the subjunctive.   - A.

  
CalifJim  #513809  Thu, 15 May 08 04:14 AM
Marius Hancu

I think this is correct:

I don't believe such thing to exist.

 

[ because ...] 

Marius Hancu
were any such thing to exist
  ???

I don't follow the reasoning.  any such thing has a determiner (any).  such thing doesn't.

CJ 

  
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