Ben Laden vs. Bush

Did you mean Bush had qualms about killing innoncent Iraq people so he should be forgaven? Or Iraq war is the right solution for Iraq people?
There is no doubt that Bush and his government is  the No. 1 terrorist and they started the war for oil, which became more obviously recently when USA and British oil companies monopolized the contract of oil exploitation in Iraq.

Goodman

 

USA declare it is a democracy country, but raising your head and look over at Iraq, is that what a democracy country should do? Your government says Ben Laden is the No. 1 terrorist. But let me ask you a question: how many people has Ben Laden killed in this world? How many has USA killed in Iraq? Now tell me who is the No. 1 terrorist in this world?

Let's look further into this Iraq war: American children from poor families are sent to fight for getting the oil of Iraq, these oil is selling to poor families by some rich persons controlling oil. So the poor devote their children's lives to buy oil from the rich perons controlling oil. Is this what a so-called democracy looks like?

 

Hi OSee,

 I agree with some of your comments on the topics discussed here thus far. Having said that, if you are using the Iraq war and Ben Laden scenario to drive home your points on “freedom”, I think you are stretching it a bit. Ben Laden has no qualms about killing innocent Americans, or anybody who is not one of them, It won’t matter if they are children, women, or elders, they are all “equal opportunity” targets.  The Iraq war is another can of worm which I hesitate to open but I say this, if we went there for oil, why are we paying close to $5  a gallon where I live?  It’s not a joke, military engagement and killing go together as well as bodies and graves, just like the bodies of the American soldiers whose names are no  the War Memorial Monument in Washington DC. I agree, there is a twisted side of freedom of speech in America and there are certain issues with of human right which are not brought to the scrutiny as were with the Chinese. I am calling a spade a spade. Hope it’s not a problem.

I never said the oil price thing. I am not a Ben Laden supporter (I just feel strange, how can you jump to this conclusion? Just want this to make me urgly so that you can win this argument?). You are good at change or interpret other people's opinions.

And I am not interesting in being a group with you or being different or not.

Goodman

Did you mean Bush had qualms about killing innoncent Iraq people so he should be forgaven? Or Iraq war is the right solution for Iraq people?
I was a Bush supporter who have turned angry with him. But not for your reasons. This is where we draw the line in opinions. The problem with oil prices is beyond Bush's control. It's much deeper.
If I didn't read your previous threads, I would say you are a Ben Laden supporter. Your image of the world is obviously one with a "broad brush" and influenced in ways only knwon by you. Sorry if we differ!

Osee,
After this thread, If you still think that I am a reasonable person to have a discussion with, feel free to respond. Otherwise, I still appreciate the few threads we had. Is that fair?  I am a straight shooter so I am going to open up.

There are two things friends and even family members do not discuss; one is religion and the other one is politics, especially international politics. But somehow, I was drawn into it. You said perhaps your English confused me. Ok, let’s just presume that. You also said : .

<<<>>1. I said Bush and his government is the No.1 terrorist from the point of view of the number of people being killed in the Iraq war, which did not mean Ben Laden is not a terrorist (In fact, I think he is the No. 2). But you thought I could be his supporter. I can not see how this conclusion came into being. 

As I stated in my last post, I was a Bush’s supporter but his direction of politics has angered the hell out of me after he started the 2^nd term. I supported the liberation of Iraq but  I was expecting the troops to come home in 6 months. How naïve I was! Be that as it may, I still thought he was a decent person. However, as time went on, his border policy, his disregard toward to troops and his wimpy and nonchalant attitudes toward the nation’s oil crisis really annoyed me grossly. Be that as it may, how can one compare Bush with Ben Laden? I don’t know what your political and religion believes are and I am afraid to find out. But how can you compare the number of  Iraqis killed in the war? You talked like as if you are feeling sypathetic to the poor boys soldiers but you never mentioned a word about the deaths of nearly 4000 US soldiers killed, and the many who although survived but lost their limbs from the RIthis is what I said “ if I didn’t read your previous threads, from the way you referred to Ben Laden, I thought you were a Ben Laden supporter. How you possess this Bush and Ben laden attitudes is a mystery to me. I will be very frank. The air wave is filled with liberal journalists and the world’s best known Media BBX and CNX are controlled by the liberal conglomerates. We only saw on TV how the US troops are dropping bombs into “civilian quarters” which were hideouts for the terrorists. They never showed on their footage the recovering side of Iraq where Sadam Husain has depressed for so long. My point is, many people are slowly being brainwashed by the media and they just don’t know it. I used to watch the big 3 on TV but realizing how twisted the news casts and anchors were, I gave up news because what they give you is not journalism but their interpretation of the world.     

<<<>>>2. I said Bush started the war for oil, the poor fight the war for him. The result is the poor devoted their lives and still have to buy oil from the rich controlling oil. I never said anything about the price of oil. And I do not know whether Bush has something to do with the increasing oil PRICE.

I was being a little angry about you interpreting what I said.

In public domain such as this, every word from our thought is subject to scrutiny. You can write what you want but if the readers take it the wrong way, the readers are not to blame but the author. That’s should be understood. From your tone, I did take it that you had a view Bush went to war in Iraq for oil.  If it’s not,  I apologize, but educate me ,what do you exectly mean by “The result is the poor devoted their lives and still have to buy oil from the rich controlling oil. I never said anything about the price of oil”? 

Anyway, I appreacite your reply. I try to be in tune with what is going on around the world stage and sometime it’s upsetting to see the things that are happening around us. Take one for instance. California  (along with many states sharing the the borders with Mexico) are on the verge of bankrupcy from the financial burden of the estimated 20 million illegal aliens who used the schools, hospitals, social benefits and welfare systems paid for by the tax payers like me. As a results many hospitals are closed and what is more upsetting is, if I am sick and needed immediate care, I still have to wait but if a an illegal alien ambulanced in to the emergency room for a gun shoot wound from the police, he has the priority over the citizens. And no politicians nor the presidents has done anything about it. Now that I have let some of my steam out, I feel a little better.