Gary Williams    964589 Thu, 22 Jul 04 02:54 PM "Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" It's even been set to music, by Randall Thompson, within the cantata "The Peaceable Kingdom". Gary Williams Gary Williams

	rzed    964670 Thu, 22 Jul 04 04:33 PM "Last December, an American came to visit us. I asked whether the situation back home in regard to free speech ... In a humorous way, of course. Is this a widespread joke, as she thought, or just something in her circles?" Joke? I've never seen the gesture, but the impetus behind it is widespread, and no laughing matter. Not to jansand the issue overmuch, the atmosphere is dark and unsettling here. Privacy is the stuff of nostalgia. rzed rzed Regards, Jokes, United States, American, Speaking, Speeches

	Tony Cooper    964683 Thu, 22 Jul 04 05:09 PM "Last December, an American came to visit us. I asked ... joke, as she thought, or just something in her circles?" "Joke? I've never seen the gesture, but the impetus behind it is widespread, and no laughing matter. Not to jansand the issue overmuch, the atmosphere is dark and unsettling here. Privacy is the stuff of nostalgia." Good to see that Jan has left a legacy here. Unfortunately, it's a legacy of hyperbole. Tony Cooper Jokes, Hyperboles, United States, American

	Pat Durkin    964734 Thu, 22 Jul 04 07:05 PM "Joke? I've never seen the gesture, but the impetus ... dark and unsettling here. Privacy is the stuff of nostalgia." "Good to see that Jan has left a legacy here. Unfortunately, it's a legacy of hyperbole." Hyperbole is required in order to keep the suggestions as jokes, rather than to drive the ideas into whispers, which can truly increase the paranoia. (Not that there aren't those who feel the need to work underground.) I like rzed's use of "jansand" as an adjective, although it may raise the hackles on some people. Don't we call some approaches to thought patterns as "riggsian"? Pat Durkin Jokes, Hyperboles, Adjectives

	Sara Lorimer    964757 Thu, 22 Jul 04 08:06 PM "Last December, an American came to visit us. I asked whether the situation back home in regard to free speech ... In a humorous way, of course. Is this a widespread joke, as she thought, or just something in her circles?" I've never encountered it, and I've heard plenty of people discussing the government in strong terms. SML http://pirate-women.com Sara Lorimer Regards, Jokes, United States, American, Speaking, Speeches

	Tony Cooper    964758 Thu, 22 Jul 04 08:07 PM "I like rzed's use of "jansand" as an adjective, although it may raise the hackles on some people. Don't we call some approaches to thought patterns as "riggsian"?" I liked Jan's term of "jans&". I prefer "Riggsonian". It adds a touch of class where it is sorely needed. "Riggsian" comes out "Riggsy-ean" when I say it aloud. I just can't think of him as Riggsy. Tony Cooper Adjectives

	Sara Lorimer    964759 Thu, 22 Jul 04 08:07 PM "Last December, an American came to visit us. I asked ... joke, as she thought, or just something in her circles?" "I've never encountered it, and I've heard plenty of people discussing the government in strong terms." I just remembered two times when I did see a similar gestures but it was when I worked at Martha Stewart Living, and it wasn't Big Brother my coworkers were afraid of. SML http://pirate-women.com Sara Lorimer Jokes, United States, American

	Mike Lyle    964883 Thu, 22 Jul 04 11:05 PM "Good to see that Jan has left a legacy here. Unfortunately, it's a legacy of hyperbole." "Hyperbole is required in order to keep the suggestions as jokes, rather than to drive the ideas into whispers, which can truly increase the paranoia." That's a very good saying. Thank God for countries where you can make the hyperbolic jokes in public. But, as I said once (forgive me if it wasn't original, but I thought it was) "He was joking, but he meant it." Mike. Mike Lyle Jokes, Hyperboles