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MrPedantic
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Sat, 23 Jul 05 12:34 AM
I'm inclined to think that the little people like us, who meet in forums like this to exchange innocent burble, have more in common with each other than we severally do with the people who run our respective countries and concoct the various 'historical facts' we berate each other with.
But it suits the people who run things to have us subscribe to their narratives.
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leandro_tami
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 04:00 AM
I think those awful events in London are really terrible and I feel
very bad about those who were innocent and lost their lives without no
reason. And I think I should add to the list to that poor brazilian guy
who was assasinated recently.
About the other subjects you were talking about, I do believe that
inspite the United States has existed during an almost continuos state
of war, most of its inhabitants don't really realize that war is more
than a few green lights in your TV screen. I do not desire them to live
in war, however it seems they always manage to be in one. A lot of
aspects of the culture of the USA scare me a lot, however I think the
most frightning is that their are being manipulated in a way which
results obvious for anyone outside the USA but invisible for those who
live into. Today I know there are exceptions to this rule, so I'm glad
about it however I'm afraid they are a small part of the entire
population.
The terrible aspect about this is that while they are manipulated and
uninformed, other peoples around the world are suffering a lot from
their acts. They know it. And they won't forget it easily. Think about
this: you are a little innocent girl who is sleeping in your bed, when
you suddenly wake up and realize that there are soldiers inside your
home speaking things you don't understand. You don't see anything but
you hear screams from your mother. You are pointed with guns inside
your own house and they take your father away from you. At the same
moment, a bomb 'accidentally' falls and explodes in the middle of a
wedding. You grow up. I'm sure I'll love those men who dida that to you
and your country. The sad thing is that I didn't invented anything
here. These are two stories taken from thousands of stories we won't
listen. If in the future that little girl goes into a mall in your city
wearing a bomb (of course, this wouldn't be right) are you going to say
that this was totally unpredicted and unjustified?
In short, what I think is that a lot of hate is going through the world
today, and this hate is seeding even more hate. This is terribly
dangerous. No society can be built if the world is into a continuos
state of war. Someone must stop and break the chain. The end doesn't
justify the means.
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Mike in Japan
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 11:33 AM
Yes, it's a terrible situation.
Did anyone else see a story about a mass protest just after the bombing in Egypt?
They were not protesting about the bombers. They were protesting
against the possibility of repressive laws being introduced as a RESULT
of the bombing.
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nona the brit
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 01:01 PM
Liandro,
I would disagree with your use of the word 'assassinate' in relation to the Brazilian man who was shot dead by police. Assassinate means to deliberately kill with a motive, usually political or religious. The police believed they were preventing another bomb attack, and this is not an assassination.
We may never understand why he behaved the way he did, and it could have been blind panic which would be a terrible tragedy, but the fact is that he was a white male (Brazilians do come in a white variety you know, so all the resulting accusations of police rasicm rather fall flat here), who has lived in London for three years and spoke good English. Therefore he understood that our police are not the same as Brazilian police (where you might well want to do a runner if challenged by them) and he understood what they were shouting. He was told to stop. He chose to run away - forcing entry into a tube station, and running on to a train in a city which has been suffering suicide bomb attacks on tube trains. He knew they were armed police. They had a split second to decide whether to shoot him or risk his blowing up the train.
Why did he run? A mystery all right, but not an assassination.
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Little Cloud
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 02:18 PM
I Totally agree with u! What would have happened if he had been a terrorist?
We have to consider that London is living terrible days, as many people on this earth for different reasons. But why?? Why didn't he stop? Why didn't he say anything?? We'll never know. But, now it's too too easy to say: he was innocent, he wasn't a terrorist. English Police should have said nothing about this terrible error: no one could have known the truth but they told everything and asked "sorry". I know it can't help but it what we all have now. ![Sad [:(]](/emoticons/emotion-6.gif)
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David
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 03:14 PM
The killing of any person is horrible. Why was the house he lived in searched the day before? Why was he followed? Why did he run off when challenged by the police?. Too many unanswered questions. We shall never really know the times are dangerous and the police have to be secretive.
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nona the brit
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 06:09 PM
When I heard that he was not connected my heart sank, partly because he died unnecessarily and partly because of the controversy and problems it will cause. I certainly don't think he 'deserved to die for being stupid and running', which is an opinion you hear a lot in the UK, but he did cause his own death by behaving the way he did. It would be interesting to know why the police were already watching him or was it an error altogether?
What I really find disturbing is the attacks on temples and mosques as retaliation. The BNP (British National Party) is already distributing leaflets using the bombing attacks to forward their own cause...and sadly there are people ready to listen. The families of the bombers have had to go into hiding for their own safety...but they were not the ones to blame. I find the position of the parents of the youngest bomber really upsetting. How many parents know exactly what their 19 year old is up to? To know that your child was in London when the bombs went off, and not be able to contact him, and to report him to the police as missing in the fear/knowledge that he was probably hurt by the bomb...just terrible, heart-breaking just to think of it. Then to find out that he was the bomber, my god, how will they ever come to terms with that? The other bombers were adults and I find them fully accountable for what they did, but he was pretty much still a boy.
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Little Cloud
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 09:01 PM
I Think that sometimes it's family itself to grow upe their children is such an ambient: I mean that for a lot of people that do those terrible things, it's almost an honour to die "for the cause". Most of the times, they are grown up in this thought and this is more terrible!
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leandro_tami
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Mon, 25 Jul 05 11:05 PM
I do realize Brazilians come also in white, because as you probably
know Brazil is next to Argentina and both countries have intense
relationships. I also realize the situation was very difficult, but as
far as I know the police already had him under control when they
executed him with a shot in his head (my source is CNN in
Spanish). Maybe 'assasination' wasn't the proper word, but I still
believe that you can't kill anyone who you suspect to be a terrorist in such way.
How many apologies is Scotland Yard ready to give to the families of those innocents
killed by their suspicions? In fact, I may end up with this
conclusion: that if any policeman wants to kill someone he only has to
say the victim was a suspect of terrorism.
About the other subject, I think that the parents of the youngest
bomber probably didn't do very well their task as parents. It saddens me a lot
to know about people younger than me being so wrong and doing those
terrible things.
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