Both - Either

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Kooyeen  #346437  Mon, 02 Apr 07 07:33 PM
Hi,
If someone asked what's ok in "I wish I was/were rich", "was or were?", would you answer:
  1. You can use both.
  2. You can use either.
  3. Both can be used.
  4. Either can be used.
I'd say that all of the above versions are ok. Maybe "either" is better (since you always use one at a time, either "was" or "were"), but "both" is ok too in my opinion (and it is understood that you don't use both at the same time, but you can use both, alternatively). Am I right? Thanks Smile [:)]

  
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Goodman  #346441  Mon, 02 Apr 07 07:43 PM

Kooyeen,

It's always "were" in this kind of conditional context.

I wish Mary were my girlfriend – but she is not .The thought is imaginary. 

I wish I were rich- but you aren’t.  “were” is used to infer the “if”  context.

 

If you were me, how would you handle the problem? – but you would never be me.

  
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Kooyeen  #346445  Mon, 02 Apr 07 07:53 PM
Oh my, I knew I should have thought of a better example! Stick out tongue [:P]
The question is not about "was" and "were", but about "either" and "both" (and considering the fact that you can say "I wish I were..." or "I wish I was...")
So, let's change the example: "When people greet friends, do they say Hi or Hello?" Now, would you answer:
  1. You can use both.
  2. You can use either.
  3. Both can be used.
  4. Either can be used.
And my comments were:
I'd say that all of the above versions are ok. Maybe "either" is better (since you always use one at a time, either "was" or "were"), but "both" is ok too in my opinion (and it is understood that you don't use both at the same time, but you can use both, alternatively). Am I right? Thanks Smile [:)]
Re-thanks Smile [:)]

  
Goodman  #346455  Mon, 02 Apr 07 08:43 PM

Well, it depends on the complete context. Both mean A and B. Either means A or B.

John can speak French and German = Both languages

John can speak either French or German. In these context, “either”  has the relative meaning of both.

“You can either take it the easy way or the hard way” – Here “either” is a choice.  

“You can either go shopping with me or go to the movie with Paul”, Here either is not both.  

  
Kooyeen  #346932  Tue, 03 Apr 07 08:05 PM
Well, there's enough context, I think.
I know the difference between "both" and "either", but sometimes I think both can be used in place of either, as long as it's not confusing. Imagine this question is asked here in this forum:

"I [have just seen/ just saw] your mother" - Which one?

You could answer "Either", "Either is ok", "Either can be used", "You can use either", etc.
Now I think you could also answer "Both", "Both are ok", "Both can be used", "You can use both"... Someone will say that it's not ok because you can't use both at the same time, you have to chose one and so you can choose "either". I think that would be being fussy since here there's no confusion. Everybody would understand that "You can use both" means "You can use both in those kinds of situation, but not together". On the other hand, if you said "You have to use both" then most people would understand you need both at the same time.

Now, is it just me that thinks so or am I right? Thank you in advance Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #346991  Tue, 03 Apr 07 11:44 PM
If someone asked what's ok in "I wish I was/were rich", "was or were?", would you answer:
  1. You can use both.
  2. You can use either.
  3. Both can be used.
  4. Either can be used.
I'd say that all of the above versions are ok.
Yes, all are OK.  Personally, I would use the second.

CJ

  
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Kooyeen  #347292  Wed, 04 Apr 07 07:28 PM
Thank you.
It is interesting to notice that "both" wouldn't be ok logically, but the context tells you that it doesn't mean "both at the same time". Smile [:)]

  
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