brim vs rim

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CalifJim  #515899  Tue, 20 May 08 02:24 AM
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Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Such dirty talk.  Smile

  
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New2grammar  #515941  Tue, 20 May 08 11:08 AM


Thank you, Avangi, Delmobile and CJ.

I'm sorry but I still don't understand the differences.Are they geometrically different?
If they are, it'll be easy for me to grab if you could describe the differences. For the moment, we can ignore the idiomatic expression "fill to the brim"
and focus on the geometric differences. it will help if you could attach a drawing/sketch or two in the process.
Delmobile may have described it but I'm afraid it's still unclear to me.

Perhaps, I should have asked this in my first post but I never thought it was going to be this confusing.

Thanks in advance!

CJ, I wonder what the word is. Does it come with E? Can I buy a 'A'?


 

  
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Delmobile  #516048  Tue, 20 May 08 02:59 PM
 Okay, let me take another stab at it. I think we've gotten silly - I blame myself for injecting that coffee commercial - and are making it harder than it needs to be.

 

A "brim" is the uppermost edge of any container that can be filled. Avangi seems to think the container needs to be round, but I disagree. "Fill to the brim" isn't an idiomatic expression, although it can be used figuratively (he was brimful of merriment). "Fill to the brim" keeps coming up in this discussion, because it's about the only way we use this word (except for hats!)

When we're not speaking figuratively of brims, we're filling a cup, or something similar to a cup, with liquid. When something is "brimful" it has been filled to the point where liquid is actually slopping over the edge, or creating the surface tension "bulge" that Avangi mentioned just before it slops over. Unless the container has fairly vertical sides, it can't be filled in that way. So, platters and trays don't have brims.

However---unless we're discussing hats!---a "brim" isn't really an actual part of the cup - it's just that point at which the cup is full. You wouldn't say "a fly is perched on the brim of my glass, which is brimful of milk" even though the fly and the milk were at the same spot. You'd say the fly was on the "edge" or "rim" of the glass. 

 I love these soupbowls with the wide blue rim. I would love them more if they were filled to the brim with your delicious cucumber soup.

 

 

  
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New2grammar  #516054  Tue, 20 May 08 03:13 PM

a "brim" isn't really an actual part of the cup - it's just that point at which the cup is full.

The above and the fly example clear up a lot of confusion. Thanks, Delmobile. So even an egg or a coconut shell can have a rim when they are cracked in half, am I right? Everything that can hold liquid have a rim, even tyres and drawers, right?

  
Clive  #554928  Thu, 14 Aug 08 09:21 PM
Hi guys,

With regard to most of the things listed in the last post, I think I'd most often speak of 'the edge' or 'the top'. I don't think I often use the words 'rim' or 'brim'.

eg If you are going to take it downstairs, don't fill that glass to the top.

Best wishes, Clive

  
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