Burned and Burnt

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EyeSeeYou  #90717  Sat, 16 Apr 05 09:25 PM
Are those pronounced in the same way? With Telephone [T]?
  
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abbie1948  #90748  Sun, 17 Apr 05 12:39 AM
Nope - burn'D and burnT
  
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Hope that helps. Abbie
EyeSeeYou  #91213  Mon, 18 Apr 05 04:53 PM
Hi.

But why is it? Is it connected with voiceless words?

What are VOICELESS words? Please, someone enlighten me!
  
abbie1948  #91249  Mon, 18 Apr 05 07:30 PM
Hi, EyeSeeYou,

I don't think we talk about 'voiceless word' but rather 'voiceless sounds', and it does seem a pretty stupid thing to say. How can you speak without a voice?

This is a definition from a guide to English Pronunciation [link]


VOICELESS SOUNDS

"voiceless sounds are produced with the glottis open
the vocal cords are separated
airflow is free
there is no vibration of the vocal cords
voiceless sounds use more energy
All vowels are voiced sounds.

Consonants can be made with or without the voice. "

VOICED SOUNDS

sounds are produced with the glottis closed
the vocal cords are pressed together
airflow is interrupted
the vocal cords are made to vibrate
voiced sounds use less energy to say
All vowels are voiced sounds.

Consonants can be made with or without the voice.

To feel the difference, try this:

put your hand gently on the front of your throat, where your voice box is. Now hum gently; you should feel the vibration. That's voiced

Now keep your hand on your throat asnd say "sssssssssssssss" through your teeth. That's voiceless.

In other words, if we use our vocal chords to make a sound, it's voiced. If the sound is all made in the mouth, it's voiceless, or "unvoiced"
  
abbie1948  #91250  Mon, 18 Apr 05 07:32 PM
Sorry, forgot about Burned & burnt.

It's Burn'D because there is a 'd' at the end of the word.
BurnT finishes with a 't'.

They both mean the same thing, and it's because of the historical complexities of English.
  
EyeSeeYou  #91321  Tue, 19 Apr 05 12:50 AM
Hey Abbie, thanks for taking your time to answer my doubts. My bad, yes I was talking about voiced or voiceless sounds.

But I'm still confused about the rules for Pronounciation of Regular Verbs on Simple Past.

Is ther any other way to know when we're talking about voice dor unvoiced sounds?

Hope I'm not being a pain in the a**!

This is what Casi (one of the mods) once wrote:

" -ed is pronounced as Telephone [T] after voiceless sounds.

Example: walked, walkTelephone [T]

-ed is pronounced as Drinks [D] after voiced sounds.

Example: showed, showDrinks [D]

-ed is pronounced as EDrinks [D] after t and d

Examples: bedded, bedDrinks [D]EDrinks [D]; wanted, wanTelephone [T]EDrinks [D]

Note, the E in EDrinks [D] has three pronuncations.

1) E as in bEd, slEd
2) I as in bId, slId
3) schwa as in "e" of the

Some words have more than one spelling.

Example: burned, burnDrinks [D]; burnt, burnTelephone [T] "

  
abbie1948  #91347  Tue, 19 Apr 05 03:16 AM
No, EyeSeeYou not PIA at all.

Casi is quite right, of course, and it is generally taught that wy. I just have a problem because I usually pronounce "burnD" and "burnT" simply because of the area of UK I live in! this is very similar to "dreamed" "dreamt", but her there are pron. with the 'd' and 't'. Where I come from we say "tret" as the past tense of "treat", which is of course properly "treated". This is just a hangover from the days long ago when the North spoke a different foem of English from the south!

  
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