Jobb  +  70328 Thu, 27 Jan 05 10:56 AM Please edit it: Regarding Zhuangzi's butterfly, it seems so easy to crack his puzzle. Many people had seen that he was born, growing up and living as a crazy man, so it was him who dreamed of that he became the butterfly, and the reverse was untrue. I'm sorry I've broken up his poetic paradox. Jobb Joined on Sun, Jul 11 2004 Regular Member 812

	xpi0t0s  +  70341 Thu, 27 Jan 05 12:13 PM OK, but perhaps you need to indicate what meaning you are after: Zhuangzi's puzzle was crazy, so he became the butterfly. I'm poetic. xpi0t0s Joined on Mon, Dec 6 2004 New Member 07

	MrPedantic  +  70355 Thu, 27 Jan 05 01:55 PM Perhaps: 'Regarding Zhuangzi's butterfly, it seems so easy to crack his puzzle. As everyone knows, he was born mad, lived like a madman, and died mad. So it was clearly Zhuangzi who dreamed he became a butterfly, and the reverse was untrue. I'm sorry if I've destroyed his poetic paradox.' There is a phrase in English: 'to break a butterfly upon a wheel'. It has a similar meaning to your last statement. So if you wanted to be a little flowery, you could say: 'I'm sorry if I've broken his poetic butterfly on the wheel of cold logic.' (I must admit, my sympathies have always been with Z...Perhaps we were all only dreaming he was mad, as part of his dream.) MrP MrPedantic Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004 Veteran Member 12,592 ...opella forensis / adducit febris...

	MrPedantic  +  70440 Thu, 27 Jan 05 10:29 PM Ah! If you ask that question, I must have misinterpreted your meaning. I thought you meant he had always been mad. Did you mean simply that many people had seen him grow up? and then act crazily? MrP PS: 'Could it be possible that a man was born mad?' What an interesting question. Are there mad embryos, I wonder? Or merely embryos with the potential for madness? MrPedantic