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Marius Hancu wrote:

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Yoong Liat wrote:

Kooyeen wrote:  Marius Hancu wrote: should be finished by no later than June 17 Hi Marius, I wonder if that example is really good. I mean, "by" already means "no later than", so "by no later than June" sounds like "exactly at about 8 o'clock"... What do you think? I agree. "By" implies a deadline. So adding other words to it makes the words redundant.

Sorry -for the folks who disagreed, I happened to see it in the same light with Marius. "By no later than 6 o'clock..." means " it's ok to be earlier but no later than" to me. Additionally, to be precise, “by” suggests proximity, not deadline. “No later than” is the phrase which implied deadline.

It's completely correct to say: “ to avoid the morning rush, everyone should be at the parking lot for the roll call by quarter to six and the bus should be leaving no later than 0600”.

Mr. Liat,

Since you disagreed with the sentence by Marius, I just simply wanted to share my opinions on the usage with ‘by” and “no later than” in a context that is easy for those who disagreed to visualize.  Please - I mean please! Stop advising people who deal and use English everyday professionally on their jobs how they should word their sentence. Just because I am not a native does not mean I know any less than you. I can say this, nobody speaks and uses perfect English 24/ 7. If someone even suggests a slight hint that he does, either he is a liar or he is God. My English has blemishes here and there and may need the experts to point them out. I realize that. Unless you consider yourself in the same caliber as the natives on this forum, stop imposing your wills and views on the others. I believe learners appreciate opinions from fellow posters. However, the way in which an opinion is expressed can make a difference between appreciation and irritation. Do you catch my drift?

Goodman wrote:

Mr. Liat,   Since you disagreed with the sentence by Marius, I just simply wanted to share my opinions on the usage with ‘by” and “no later than” in a context that is easy for those who disagreed to visualize.  Please - I mean please! Stop advising people who deal and use English everyday professionally on their jobs how they should word their sentence. Just because I am not a native does not mean I know any less than you. I can say this, nobody speaks and uses perfect English 24/ 7. If someone even suggests a slight hint that he does, either he is a liar or he is God. My English has blemishes here and there and may need the experts to point them out. I realize that. Unless you consider yourself in the same caliber as the natives on this forum, stop imposing your wills and views on the others. I believe learners appreciate opinions from fellow posters. However, the way in which an opinion is expressed can make a difference between appreciation and irritation. Do you catch my drift?

Hi Goodman,

I don't think there was any need to use red-coloured statements above. I think that's not the kind of thing you should say on friendly forum like this one. You could disagree with Y. Liat and he could disagree with you. You both have right to do so. As far as I know, Yoong does not impose his wills or views, rather he qoutes from authoritative sources as he did in this very thread. Some natives could also be wrong because they don't read that much English Grammar or Usage books like non-natives do, since English is their mother tongue.

Best Wishes

Goodman wrote:

Jackson6612 wrote:  Goodman wrote: Mr. Liat,   Since you disagreed with the sentence by Marius, I just simply wanted to share my opinions on the usage with ‘by” and “no later than” in a context that is easy for those who disagreed to visualize.  Please - I mean please! Stop advising people who deal and use English everyday professionally on their jobs how they should word their sentence. Just because I am not a native does not mean I know any less than you. I can say this, nobody speaks and uses perfect English 24/ 7. If someone even suggests a slight hint that he does, either he is a liar or he is God. My English has blemishes here and there and may need the experts to point them out. I realize that. Unless you consider yourself in the same caliber as the natives on this forum, stop imposing your wills and views on the others. I believe learners appreciate opinions from fellow posters. However, the way in which an opinion is expressed can make a difference between appreciation and irritation. Do you catch my drift?   Hi Goodman, I don't think there was any need for red-coloured statements above. You could disagree with Y. Liat and he could disagree with you. You both have right to do so. As far as I know, Yoong does not impose his wills or views, rather he qoutes from authoritative sources as he did in this very thread. Some natives could also be wrong because they don't read English Grammar or Usage books, since English is their mother tongue. Best Wishes Jackson, I have no problem with your comment nor you for that matter. I have no problem discussing anything with anybody either. I have accepted mistakes in the past and I will face up to what I said. I appreciate your comments. Liat has his point and I have mine. I am not the kind of people who would sugarcoat their sentiments. I always spoke my mind which perhaps is not tolerable to the forum. I just wish that Mr. Liat would stop telling people what they should or should not write or say in such a direct tone. I shall leave it at that.

Hi Goodman,

Everyone makes mistakes and you don't make mistakes that often. Most of the time you make typos. Didn't I agree with you on that adjective vs. past participle discussion. I know you speak your mind boldly, that's a very good thing. I was just trying to say there is no need to exchange such things. Yoong was quoting from a reliable source, therefore he has the right to be firm on his point and you have the right to firm on your point. Be like friends. Englishforums makes us a family.

Kind Regards,

Jackson