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Iwazaru  [More info]
Hello, English forums.

 

I request your assistance one more time. I am in dire need of help and I'm frustrated as can be. You see, I have to teach (ESL) the use of several time sentence connectors amid which there's by the time.

I understand how to use it and more often than not I am able to tell when it is being naturally used and when it is not.

The problem is that my group is in a beginning level and I can only work with simple past and past continuous.

 

Certainly, you can use by the time with both as in:

 

By the time I arrived, my parents were eating dinner.

 

I see that it feels awkward when you try to join two simple-past clauses. For example:

 

I cooked dinner by the time you went to the shop.

 

I guess it's not entirely wrong, but it feels strained somehow.

So here is when I start getting frustrated. I say, OK, you cannot use by the time to join two simple-past clauses together. The problem is, sometimes you can!

 

I finished cooking dinner by the time you went to the shop.

I was tired by the time I finished.

 

Why is it different now? What changed? Why can we sometimes use by the time with simple past only and why can we not on other times?

 

I hope someone can walk me through this. I'd appreciate it a lot!

+1 Best answer by CalifJim  [More info]
Iwazaru

By the time I arrived, my parents were eating dinner. ...

I cooked dinner by the time you went to the shop. ...

I finished cooking dinner by the time you went to the shop.

I was tired by the time I finished.

I suspect it's this:


by the time only goes with an "achievement" predicate, in other words, with a predicate that expresses an event that happens instantaneously.  went to the shop is an "accomplishment" predicate.


by the time I recognized him

by the time he noticed ...

by the time we began ... / finished ...

by the time he reached his destination

by the time I realized that ...


(Research Vendler's four event classes for more information:  states, activities, accomplishments, achievements.)


CJ

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+1 Iwazaru  [More info]
Thank you, CJ. You're a lifesaver!
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