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equivocal  #78545  Sat, 05 Mar 05 03:19 AM
Different areas... hmm... I'm not a psycholinguist so I cannot really say, but if the Wernicke's area was damaged, you do get fluent but nonsense speech. So I would be tempted to say yes. But if forced to give an answer, then I would say that the "concept" level is a pre-linguistic one, while the logical level isn't. I haven't really thought much about it yet though, plunged straight into syntactical technicalities... how typical. :P I will spend some time thinking about it when I can.
  
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CalifJim  #78604  Sat, 05 Mar 05 07:05 AM
Thanks for such complete answers, eq!

As for
I'm building a non-linear grammar model.

I'm not even going to to there! Not yet, anyway. I still have to think about the first part of your answer. Smile [:)]
  
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CalifJim  #78606  Sat, 05 Mar 05 07:27 AM
At this level, everyone's interpretations of the word is the same, across all languages. I still wouldn't really call it a word at this stage yet, but merely a logical concept.


I got lost here. If it's not a word at this stage, but only a logical concept, how can everyone's interpretation of the word (which is not a word at this stage) be the same across all languages? I have the sense that this is not nonsense, but that there should be a simpler or clearer way of saying it! I don't think you are saying that all concepts exist in all languages, but something more like all concepts exist in all minds, or potentially could, or something similar.

I notice that you go directly from the concept stage to the syntactic stage. Shouldn't there be a "lexical item" stage? Don't you need more than concepts before you start combining words according to a given syntax?

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equivocal  #78672  Sat, 05 Mar 05 01:22 PM
I got lost here. If it's not a word at this stage, but only a logical concept, how can everyone's interpretation of the word (which is not a word at this stage) be the same across all languages?


Logic does not vary across languages. So the logic of the verb "kill" would be the same in all languages. If there is a word which does not exist in the language, then it is an accidental gap.

I don't think you are saying that all concepts exist in all languages, but something more like all concepts exist in all minds, or potentially could, or something similar.


Yes, that would be right.

I notice that you go directly from the concept stage to the syntactic stage. Shouldn't there be a "lexical item" stage? Don't you need more than concepts before you start combining words according to a given syntax?


As I said, the first step of the syntactic stage is to pull words out of the lexicon.

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Anonymous  #119863  Wed, 20 Jul 05 04:34 PM
suppose i call up a guy who is using a windows machine and want to know if he can see the windows start icon !!!

i can use the sentence " can you see the start icon at the left corner of your screen "

i want to know if i can replace that sentence with

"could u see the start icon at the left corner of your screen "

  
MrPedantic  #119944  Thu, 21 Jul 05 12:46 AM

Hello Anon

No, you would have to use 'can'. 'Could' makes it sound as if you're talking about a hypothetical situation.

MrP

  
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Anonymous  #119975  Thu, 21 Jul 05 03:53 AM

BTW, may I ask, where are you, JTT?
  
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