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Zeyaraun  +  161735 Wed, 23 Nov 05 08:58 AM

Dear Teachers,

"May I use this telephone, please?"

"Can I use this telephone, please?"

Is the use of "can" considered impolite?

Also in the fllowing case:

"Could you please lend me some money?"

"Can you please lend me some money?"

Is the use of "can" okay?

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Zeyar

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Anonymous, 4 yr 2 days ago
Generally speaking, may is a verb of permission, can is a verb of ability.  When you ask, "May I use this telephone?" what you're actually asking is whether you have permission to use the telephone.  When you ask, "Can I use this telephone?" you are asking whether you are physically able to use the telephone.

Can should probably not be used because only you can know whether you are able to do something.  That said, it is common for can to be used in place of may even among the educated, but it is still frowned upon.  (Elitists might even grunt in disgust.)  Can is not impolite, it is just incorrect.

With respect to could, could is the subjunctive form of can.  Subjunctive forms are used to express possibilities or contingent/hypothetical actions. Since you are asking about the possibility of someone lending you money, you use could.  You could also use might (subj. of may): "Might I borrow some money?"
Mister Micawber  +  161801 Wed, 23 Nov 05 02:13 PM

Hello, Zeyaraun.

Can is acceptable in both cases, but it is more informal than may or could, and should be used with familiar acquaintances, friends or family.  In English, you can never be too polite by using may or could, but there is the possibility of being too abrupt with can, so I always suggest to my students that they avoid the can form, just to be on the safe side.


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CalifJim  +  162036 Thu, 24 Nov 05 06:48 AM
I would place the level of politeness as follows:

May I ...  most polite; use only with a pope, or royalty, or high government officials, or in English class.
Could I ... "special" polite; can be used with anyone you don't know in public places such as restaurants, but it is not required.  "Can I ..." will do as well in many cases.  ("Could I ..." is for a more expensive restaurant, let's say!)
Can I ...   everday polite; can be used with anyone at any time.

I realize that this contrasts with the advice of others above, but it is what I observe in the speech of native speakers in California.  The use of "may" among 99.9% of people I know is restricted to the meaning "it is possible that", i.e., a near-synonym of "might".

CJ

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