Ryuyuki  +  43310 Wed, 25 Aug 04 03:46 AM if we read caroline post, you may be feel that capital punishment were so very cruel to do for human life that God given to us (likes : God is the one who give us life, were human too powerfull than God that made them right to take human life from other human) but when you see for some reason of them who did some crime in their life, you will realized that some of them were really...really... crazy in mind and soul that were no change in life time their'll be in right path again. and in this century, laws were easy to change. like you turn your hand in other side. people who have knowledge, power, and money can buy them like buying a candy in a store. putting them in jail, just a way to say "other home" for them. with some remition, the punishment will increase and soon they will out of jail without notice. in other hand, people who execute the criminal. what about them ? the feeling, personality, insanity. well difficult to said, cause really... really don't know. but one thing i know, it's can change them slowly. so making capital punishment or not, the result in the end was changing other life. may be putting them isolated from other, in some unknown island, far....far...away. but........ what happen when it's full...... Ryuyuki Joined on Wed, Jul 14 2004 indonesia Full Member 224 quote of this day : Time, use it best cause it never come back

	David  +  43359 Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:44 AM Guest what about those killed in war? Is that justified? Would love to hear your comments. David Joined on Sat, Mar 8 2003 Regular Member 664

	Athelas D'orion  +  43379 Wed, 25 Aug 04 11:18 AM Dear Elena, I've been searching for a tangible data to support the claim that capital punishment would work as a deterrent to criminals activities. Unfortunately none of the data is adequate to provide us with a solid argument. At the end I could only agree with following quoted lines from one of the articles I found: ----------------- Quote ----------------- People support or oppose capital punishment for complex, often emotional, reasons. For supporters it can be an issue of public safety or political pragmatism. For opponents it can be a sense of justice or outrage at the inequality in sentencing. Ultimately, capital punishment may be an issue of morality. Although van den Haag believes that the death penalty deters more than other punishments, he would be in favor of capital punishment “on grounds of justice alone.” He states: “To me, the life of any innocent victim who might be spared has great value; the life of a convicted murderer does not.” For van den Haag and those who share his views, retribution in the form of capital punishment is a morally justifiable and necessary response to some crimes. To others, capital punishment is always immoral. Both sides firmly believe they are right. --------------- End quote ---------------- For me, I will always support capital punishment for a crime that harm other people's life or betrayed one's country (i.e. murder, rapist, corruptor). As I believe every human valued their life dearly, and most peoples are afraid of death. Therefore, if capital punishment applied, more peoples will think twice before harming other people's life. Athelas D'orion Joined on Thu, Jul 29 2004 New Member 10 Articles

	Elena  +  43382 Wed, 25 Aug 04 11:55 AM Thanks a lot for searching Athelas D'orion. Let me say that I find naive to believe it will act as deterrent, I don't think the criminal has room in his/her brain for thinking of consequences or other things when s/he is about to commit the crime. I am against. Elena Joined on Thu, Jul 31 2003 Regular Member 827 Enjoying my English study

	caroline  +  43463 Thu, 26 Aug 04 09:40 AM With regards to David's post, I think that of all the insane things we do in this world war tops the list by far. I watched Troy recently, as many of you surely have, & I was impressed by the brutality of the conflict. Now that actually used to happen years ago, no less realistically than it did in the film. Today we've modified the shields into bases and the spears into missiles, so that we won't even have to look into each other's eyes as we pierce hearts. How can anyone hate and kill another person who they do not even know in the name of a piece of land called a nation?! Honestly, war is proof that the world is crazy. I cannot believe it is still going on today in what we call civilised society. Just a thought... imagine everyone had to refuse taking up arms in any situation. Wouldn't politicians panic as their only possible chance to leaving their name behind vanishes into thin air? Perhaps they should settle questions of such dimensions over a game of scrabble or chess. The possiblities of winning or losing are roughly the same as those in a war, and the expenses are less... and for once, the pawns' loss won't be felt while the players will be actually making an effort to win the game. caroline Joined on Wed, Jul 28 2004 Malta Junior Member 61 Regards

	David  +  43470 Thu, 26 Aug 04 10:22 AM What happens when a lunatic like Mr Hitler is let loose in the world Caroline? David

	caroline  +  43481 Thu, 26 Aug 04 12:14 PM Do you honestly think that most wars are those fought to stamp out Hitlers? Have you ever heard of the Football War of 1969? How crazy is that? Perhaps we see it nuts because we are so far away in time and space however our own wars are just as ridiculous if seen from a different perspective. The fact remains that, Uthopian as my previous suggestion may sound, if war cannot be eradicated, common sense can at least cut down the causes for it to perhaps the one you mentioned, and even in that case, I think you'd achieve more by shaking the neo-Hitler's army back into their senses then by killing them all & allowing their leader to imprint his name in the mouths of future generations, thereby helping this person achieve his or her so highly craved immortality. I just feel that war is never justified, no matter the circumstance. caroline Football

	David  +  43489 Thu, 26 Aug 04 02:46 PM Apologies Caroline but a rather difficult to understand train of thought. We all hate wars but bad leaders only survive because people choose to follow them. I bow out of this topic because the point is does one or doesn't one believe in capital punishment. Put simply I don't. David