caroline  +  43600 Fri, 27 Aug 04 11:24 AM yea we did stray from the main topic that's true!! Just for the record, the point I was trying to make was that the people who follow such leaders are essentially no different from you or me in that they have common sense, and if everyone is encouraged to use it fanaticism should die out. However it's easier said than done, that's for sure. Back to capital punishment, I agree with 'Guest' in that it can have negative consequences but at the moment of the crime I doubt the criminal would have enough evenness of mind to weigh the pros & cons of his action. I agree with the bit about the jury's deliberation though in this case we aren't debating whether capital punishment is right or wrong any longer so much as if it is advantageous to the country's crime rate... caroline Joined on Wed, Jul 28 2004 Malta Junior Member 61 Negatives

	chrzaszcz  +  43940 Tue, 31 Aug 04 02:23 AM here, as in so many capital punishment discussions, some core issues are being overlooked. since what we say so often contradicts what we do the commandment pro-death sentence folks are sending is: "THOU SHALT KILL (if the justification is sufficient)". the revelation that killing people teaches us not to kill people is hard to support either logically or statistically. yet the notion persists. killing people is clearly driven by motives other than a sober, objective desire for justice. these motives are not that different from those which drove the murderer in the first place. chrzaszcz Joined on Mon, Aug 30 2004 New Member 01

	Ryuyuki  +  43944 Tue, 31 Aug 04 03:18 AM only to reminded every one in post the topic is 'capital punishment'. and.... again, just to reminded you all. there were a lot...lot....lot.... of people in this poor world that we live in, a person who have a simple mind in thinking : "we do this for life (crime) or to relief our need in life (like money, sex, power, authority, etc.....). when it's done, we will asked God for His forgiveness as a repentance. or they think that what they did was right because of their believe." simple as that, so what we should do about this person. put them in jail. well..... have you ever heard that it's make them larger.....(they have fans to follow their think and mind) and some people think : "well they did this but the punishment just easy : putting them in jail, so i can do that too". see it's never ended if we don't do the hard way to those person who really..... really.... really.. need to be in capital punishment. but it's puzzle me to because of thinking about the person who did the capital punishment.... about david post,......well i think first .....then send to you later Ryuyuki Joined on Wed, Jul 14 2004 indonesia Full Member 224 quote of this day : Time, use it best cause it never come back

	Amandine  +  103117 Thu, 26 May 05 05:05 PM by sending someone to the death sentence, the public is sure that he won't do any more harm in the future. What do you prefer? keeping them in jails for a couple of years and them setting them free or make sure they disappear from the surface of the planet? for the safety of all, I think the second solution would be more useful... you're right that it is an easy way, but I prefer to think of the victims side, of their suffering. These kind of criminals don't have humanity and I don't think they deserve one in return. Why should these criminals live off the "normal people" who pay taxes for prisons, who pay to keep them alive? I hope I don't seem too harsh, but the thought of jails don't seem to prevent them for commiting murders, rapes ...if the punishment were a capital one, maybe a lot of them would reconsider their deed? I don't know what go through their minds, so maybe it wouldn't change anything at all.. Amandine Joined on Mon, Mar 21 2005 Chicago&Paris Full Member 245 il n'est jamais trop tard pour realiser ce a quoi vous aspirez

	David  +  126024 Thu, 11 Aug 05 02:17 PM Capital punishment is as abhorrent as the crime comitted. It has not deterred rapists or murderers they still exist in growing numbers.They should be imprisoned for life if necessary but given useful things to do in correctional establishments. David Joined on Sat, Mar 8 2003 Regular Member 664