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New2grammar  +  543978 Sun, 20 Jul 08 12:37 PM
"All I want to see is justice," said Richard Etheredge, 72, a white farmer who was evicted from his farm last month. "The world cannot carry on with criminals."
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/07/15/zimbabwe.farmers/index.html

What's the meaning of carry on here? continue?
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Feebs11  +  543988 Sun, 20 Jul 08 12:49 PM
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Avangi  +  544061 Sun, 20 Jul 08 03:57 PM
Sometimes "to carry on with" means to have relations, or intercourse with (not sexual!)  The world cannot continue to deal / negotiate with criminals. 

It seems unrealistic to suggest that if criminals cannot be eliminated, the world must come to a grinding halt. 


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New2grammar  +  544064 Sun, 20 Jul 08 04:00 PM
carry on
1. To conduct; maintain: carry on a thriving business.
2. To engage in: carry on a love affair.
3. To continue without halting; persevere: carry on in the face of disaster.
4. To behave in an excited, improper, or silly manner.

Avangi, are you pointing out the second definition?
Avangi  +  544074 Sun, 20 Jul 08 04:32 PM
The definition I have in mind is similar to number 2, but may be colloquial.  As applied to a love afair, A would be said to be carrying on with B.  That is, my usage would be intransitive, while the usage in number 2 is transitive, a love affair being the direct object.

Etheredge is planning to fight the criminals, not negotiate with them.  The interpretation you originally suggested sounds like he's saying, "If the criminals are given a voice, we may as well all give up."

I'll admit you could make a case for "We can't go on like this.  Criminals must be eliminated."

I'm leaning toward, "The world cannot allow criminals to participate in the business of government."

  - A.
New2grammar  +  544078 Sun, 20 Jul 08 04:48 PM
Avangi

I'll admit you could make a case for "We can't go on like this.  Criminals must be eliminated."
Yes, this is what I have in mind.

Avangi
“I'm leaning toward, "The world cannot allow criminals to participate in the business of government."”


I'm having difficulty interpreting it in this way but agree that it's not totally impossible.



It seems like the original sentence is an ambigous statement. Not a good one.
Avangi  +  544087 Sun, 20 Jul 08 05:06 PM
I guess English is Etheredge's native language.  I've had a couple of friends who grew up learning English is Africa.  They were very well educated, but phrased a few things differently.

I can't help thinking the interpretation you prefer is absurd.  What could he possibly have in mind?

I've had no luck finding a non-romantic example of my usage, although I did find it as intransitive.
Marius Hancu, 1 yr 125 days ago
 >Sometimes "to carry on with" means to have relations, or intercourse with

my reading too 

Feebs11  +  544174 Mon, 21 Jul 08 12:23 AM
 Surely in the context definition #3 is what he intended.
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