Anonymous  +  915710 Thu, 24 Sep 09 08:08 AM Dear friends,   I have a question about causative verb in passive voice. Here it is:   Mom made me mop the floor. = I was made to mop the floor. But.. Is it ok if I change "make" to "had"? (since have is one of causative verbs) "I was had to mop the floor. "   It sounds weird, but is it correct.   Thanks!! Anonymous Relationships, Friendships, Friends

	Mister Micawber  +  915738 Thu, 24 Sep 09 08:25 AM It sounds weird because many active verbs we simply do not use in passive, even though it can theoretically be done.  That is the basic problem with the Active-Passive Conversion exercises that some ESL teachers seem to love (probably because they are so simple to prepare). Mister Micawber Joined on Wed, Aug 4 2004 Yokohama Veteran Member 30,753 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.' ESL

	Mister Micawber  +  915931 Thu, 24 Sep 09 11:43 AM No, it makes sense, and it is the passive form, 'be had to (do)'– it is simply very awkward and almost never used.  Here is one reputable example: No recourse was had to the comforting rituals of the genre, those depredations and confrontations that recur.... To be had (= to be tricked) is an idiom and is a different use of the words. Mister Micawber Idioms

	lucas777  +  943961 Fri, 16 Oct 09 08:15 AM Hi ! Hopefully this will help! Nothing like an online English teacher like Steve Enjoy it! lucas777 Joined on Sat, Apr 25 2009 New Member 08 Video, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Online, Languages

	dimsumexpress  +  944016 Fri, 16 Oct 09 09:30 AM Just food for thoughts: It's ok to change from "made" to "had" For my son's 5th birthday, my wife made /had me dressed as a clown for the  party. And it's ok to say "I was made to dress up as a clown" But it's absolutely not ok to say I was had to dress up as a clown. dimsumexpress Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009 Full Member 273 Marriage, Relationships