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CalifJim  #257200  Fri, 18 Aug 06 08:04 PM
Would you please tell me, is it true correct to leave "from whom" and "that" out of the following sentences.
1-A woman from whom you rent a room.
2-Jim was wearing a hat that was too big for him.


Let's take the second sentence first.
Jim was wearing a hat    that      was too big for him.  (Subject underlined. Relative connection in bold.)

This comes from:
Jim was wearing a hatThe hat was too big for him.  (Subject underlined. Relative connection in bold.)

that is the subject of the clause that was too big for him.  It is not correct to leave out a relative pronoun (that) when that relative pronoun is the subject of the clause it is in.

So in this case, no, you cannot correctly leave out that.

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Now let's take the first example.  It is not a sentence.  Let's change it a little and make it a sentence first.  That may make things easier.

Mrs. Bruggle is the woman from whom you rent a room.  (Subject underlined. Relative connection in bold.)

This comes from:

Mrs. Bruggle is the womanYou rent a room from that woman.  (Subject underlined. Relative connection in bold.)

Here you see that the subject (underlined) of the secondary clause and the words that are connected into a relative construction (in bold) are not the same, so you have a choice.

After you substitute whom for that woman, to produce:

1) Mrs. Bruggle is the woman*You rent a room from whom.

you must notice that whom is part of a prepositional phrase from whom.

You may move the entire prepositional phrase to the beginning of the secondary clause, to form:

1A) Mrs. Bruggle is the woman from whom you rent a room.

OR, if you want to leave out whom, you just leave it out at the end, and do not move the preposition from. Leave it at the end.

1B) Mrs. Bruggle is the woman you rent a room from.

Both 1A and 1B are correct.  Both are derived from 1), which is not correct, but is a necessary step to illustrate the two possible derivations.

If you move the entire prepositional phrase first, and then leave out whom, you will make an incorrect sentence!    *Mrs. Bruggle is the woman from you rent a room.

CJ




  
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itman  #257486  Sat, 19 Aug 06 10:43 PM
Thanks a lot CJ.Your answer was so vivid as usual.
By the way,I appretiate you owing to making me aware of my mistakes.
  
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