Eddie88  +  619843 Wed, 24 Dec 08 05:01 AM Hi, I have to know the answer to this question before I go on holiday, or it will drive me nuts! Ross' musical talents are not as amazing as he and Sam think. Could you analyse this sentence (sho me what clauses exist and what they include) for me please. (I know the are two clauses (main and subodinate), but I struggle to identify them. It seems as though the complement of the main clause is the other clause. Could you please tell me the parts of the sentence; that is, the clauses and phrases in the sentence). Thanks in advance. Eddie88 Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2008 New Zealand Full Member 466 Clauses, Writing, Sentences

	Avangi  +  620110 Wed, 24 Dec 08 10:24 AM Remember the last one?  This one is not as hard.  One is hard.  (Predicate adjective)  "As" is an adverb modifying "hard."  "Not" is an adverb, probably modifying "is," but possibly modifying "as." CJ has gone home. This one is not as hard as you think.  "This" is an adjective.  I suppose the second "as" is a conjunction.  "You think" is a clause.  Now what? Things are as you thought.  (I just don't know.)  Things are is a clause. You thought is a clause.  As is a conjunction.  Is that possible? I see what you mean.  The second clause is the complement of the first one. Did I spoil your vacation, or have you already left? See you next year!  - A.  Avangi Joined on Mon, Nov 19 2007 Veteran Member 8,194 ". . . le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile." - Henri de Regnier Clauses, Adverbs, Predicates, Adjectives, Writing

	Eddie88  +  620220 Wed, 24 Dec 08 01:06 PM Haha, it looks as though you are as confused as me. Fortunately, I received an asnwer to this from CJ on another post. The answer comes from a subordinate clause I was not aware of;: a comparitive clause. I am glad to see that you see the complement to the main clause as another clause. That is how I first saw it! http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuickQuestionVerbs/2/hhrzg/Post.htm The answer seems quite straight foward but quite complex at the same time, lol. I don't actually leave for holiday 'till the 27th. I just thought some people may like a break. But I am happy to keep discussing English as it interests me ever so much. It looks as though you love the subject, too. Eddie88 Clauses, Writing, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Languages

	Avangi  +  620567 Wed, 24 Dec 08 08:11 PM It seems like there is no usage for which someone has not invented a name.  "If you build it, they will come." I guess in all disciplines, there are creative people and people who explain what has already been done.  There are those who make history and those who describe it.  Shakespeare seems to have broken a lot of rules. At the turn of the last century, composers of art music rebelled against the standard forms and the standard sonorities and vowed to break new ground.  Some just splashed ahead, leaving the pedants to worry about what they'd done. Others chose the opposite route (eg. Shoenberg), devising the new rules first, and then composing music which followed them, hoping that the rules themselves would break the bonds of the past.  On the other hand, Bach, in the 1700's, wrote the bible on harmony which popular music still follows today. But he wasn't an inovator.  He just did the same old stuff   -   but better than anyone before or since or yet to come. Edit.  This seems a little cynical on re-reading.  Sorry about that.  It just seems sometimes that a useage breaks all the rules you know, and then simply giving it a name makes everything okay.  Thank God for the Useage Panel (and their lack of unanimity). I suppose the rule/name is just a way of saying, "Hey, this is okay too." Avangi Arts, Usages, Apologies

	CalifJim  +  620575 Wed, 24 Dec 08 08:27 PM Eddie88 “Ross' musical talents are not as amazing as he and Sam think. ” What's the matter, Eddie?  Did you lose your way back to the other thread where I answered this?  Or just looking for a second opinion?    That's OK, too. CJ Edit:  OK.  I see you were aware that I had answered it. CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,447 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche

	Eddie88  +  620716 Thu, 25 Dec 08 12:01 AM I sent this message before I got your reply cofirming I understood it. Your answer is great; I wasn't seeking another answer. I just thought I would re-post incase you didn't feel like answering it as I ask you a load of questions. But I understand your explanation, which is great. I am now aware of these types of subordinate clauses and can usually identify them: 1)Complement/ Noun Clause- One type is the 'that clause' where that begins it. 2)Adjective Clause-one type is the relative clause using one of the 5 pronouns, or one of the adverbs. 3)Adverbial Clause-begins with a subordinator 4)Comparitive Clause-begins with than or as-What you have just explained to me. And subordinate clause can either be Finite-carry an inflected verb Non-finite-have an uninflected verb with a verbal; that is, a to-infinitive, bare infinitive, ed or ing verb form. You and this forum have helped me with this, and much more. I'm looking foward to learning more of the types clauses and everything and anything about English. Oh, and Merry Xmas! Eddie88 Clauses, Nouns, Pronouns, Adverbs, Adjectives, Writing, Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Christmas, Holidays, Languages

	CalifJim  +  620996 Thu, 25 Dec 08 06:25 AM Eddie88 “Merry Xmas! ” And to you too!  CJ CalifJim