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Taka  #125889  Thu, 11 Aug 05 06:46 AM
Thank you, MrP.

And sorry about the confusion, davkett. You can replace the X with you, him, her, or whatever.

  
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davkett  #125995  Thu, 11 Aug 05 12:49 PM

Yeh, Taka, I know what to do with the Xs and Ys...and I understand the wisdom in using abstractions to talk about principles rather particulars.  I'd just rather talk about crows.  There's a wonderful poem on the subject by D. H. Lawrence, if only I can find it. 

...Later...found it!

From "Demiurge":

They say that reality exists only in the spirit

that corporal existence is a kind of death

that pure being is bodiless

that the idea of the form precedes the form substantial.

 

But what nonsense it is!

as if any Mind could have imagined a lobster

dozing in the under-deeps, then reaching out a savage and iron claw!

 

Even the mind of God can only imagine

those things that have become themselves:

bodies and presences, here and now, creatures with a fooothold in creation

even if it is only a lobster on tiptoe...

  
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Taka  #126154  Thu, 11 Aug 05 07:43 PM
Could you help me understand this part?
then reaching out a savage and iron claw!



  
davkett  #126187  Thu, 11 Aug 05 09:43 PM
I'm not sure what it is you don't understand.  Are you familiar with lobsters, and what they do down there to catch their meal of the day?
  
Taka  #126228  Fri, 12 Aug 05 09:51 AM
Ah, so 'savage' here is an adjective, modiying 'claw'.

'A savage' seemed to be an noun, which was why I was confused.

If it were 'reaching out a savage, iron claw!', I wouldn't have had any problem understanding it.
  
Osee  #395868  Mon, 23 Jul 07 11:55 PM

I am still confused by the nuance between clever and smart.

Let's first restrict to Amercian English. I collect my understanding concerning this as follows.

1. I would like to say a clever child and a smart man.

2. If someone solved a problem by a very easy way or quick thought, I would like to say he is clever at solving such a problem, on the other hand, if someone solved a famous conjecture which has existed for 100 years, I would like to say he is smart.

3. Clever describles ones which quick thought, which smart characterizes those with a deep thougth.

Any comment about this? Thanks.

  
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