Clever/smart

1 2
   Share on Facebook  
Taka  #125529  Wed, 10 Aug 05 08:24 AM
It is clever of the crows to make their nests in such tall trees.


My book says it is impossible to replace 'clever' with 'smart', otherwise it would change the meaning; it says 'It is smart of X to do' means 'X had better do.'

Is it necessarily so?

  
Top 50 Contributor
Joined on Tue, Sep 7 2004
Japan
Senior Member (2,382)
rwiles  #125532  Wed, 10 Aug 05 08:46 AM
From a BrE point of view "clever" is the colloquial term for the slightly more formal "intelligent," but the nuance is slight. In the UK you do hear "smart" to mean "clever" but it is AmE. An American would say "Lisa Simpson is smart" but an English person would say that she is "clever".

Of course you should be aware that "smart" is the usual BrE word to mean "well dressed" or "tidy" or "well cared for".
 
Clever, in AE, implies cunning, quick-witted, sharp, possibly sneaky. It's often used to denote "street smarts" as opposed to rational power.

The funny thing is that apparently clever/smart are the opposite in BrE/AmE (although of course already very close in meaning). In the UK Lisa Simpson is certainly clever, but because she is a 'nerd' she is not smart. If I understand our American friends correctly exactly the opposite is true there. She is certainly smart but not clever.

I know this hasn't exactly answered your question! At the end of the day, I think you can rest assured that you can pretty much use these terms interchangeably with only the slightest of difference. As a BrE speaker it would seem more natural to use clever in your example above as it has the connotation of problem solving........and yes sometimes 'the smart thing to do' refers to 'the sensible thing,' however again I think this has more to do with AmE / BrE differences than grammatical correctness. Maybe a native AmE speaker could help me out here?
  
Top 500 Contributor
Joined on Thu, May 26 2005
Live in England work in Germany
Full Member (144)
Proficient Speaker
Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein
davkett  #125614  Wed, 10 Aug 05 01:59 PM

Very interesting, Rwiles,

The briefest way for me to put how I understand AmE usage, relative to the crow-like circumstance, is:

clever = resourceful

smart = knowledgeable

  
Top 50 Contributor
Joined on Tue, Jun 7 2005
Pennsylvania, USA
Senior Member (2,788)
Proficient Speaker
"The rose stays fresh in its name..." -Bernard of Morlay
goldmund  #125618  Wed, 10 Aug 05 02:12 PM

'It is smart of X to do' means 'X had better do.'

Dear Taka,

It is unfortunately not quite so. For «X had better do» you may say «it would be smart of X to do» or «if X is smart, he will do».

Kind regards, Smile [:)]

Goldmund

  
Top 150 Contributor
Joined on Fri, Jun 10 2005
Regular Member (581)
«Tout homme peut dire véritablement; mais dire ordonnément, prudemment et suffisamment, peu d'hommes le peuvent.» - Michel de Montaigne
Taka  #125680  Wed, 10 Aug 05 06:13 PM
 Davkett wrote:

Very interesting, Rwiles,

The briefest way for me to put how I understand AmE usage, relative to the crow-like circumstance, is:

clever = resourceful

smart = knowledgeable



So, there woudn't be much difference even if I replaced it with 'smart'?
  
davkett  #125705  Wed, 10 Aug 05 06:57 PM

Of 'resourceful' and 'knowledgeable', each has a quite different 'ring' to me; and I would not generally replace one with the other.

'Resourceful' has an emphasis on the practicality of one's knowledge.

  
Taka  #125720  Wed, 10 Aug 05 07:45 PM
But at least it's not like ''It is smart of X to do' = 'X had better do.' ', as goldmund pointed out, right?
  
davkett  #125744  Wed, 10 Aug 05 08:32 PM

Taka,

I was pretty good with Xs and Ys in algebra many years ago, but I get confused when they are used in grammar formulas. 

  
MrPedantic  #125774  Wed, 10 Aug 05 10:09 PM

Hello Taka

I would interpret "it is smart (of X to do Y)" as a simple statement, rather than a recommendation. Though it might be different in an IF statement:

1. If you're smart, you'll play dumb, okay?

i.e. 'keep your mouth shut'.

MrP

  
Top 10 Contributor
Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004
Veteran Member (12,231)
Proficient SpeakerSystemAdministrator
...opella forensis / adducit febris...
1 2
AddThis Feed Button RSS Feed: ESL General English Grammar Questions
© 2008 MediaCET Ltd.
Terms and Conditions & Terms of Service