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Hoa Thai  #493941  Fri, 28 Mar 08 11:22 AM

 Hi,

Regarding unexpectedness, I find come across and run into do have some similarity. Both can be used with either something or somebody. For examples:

 
1a. I came across an old building.

1b. I came across an old diary in her desk

1c. I came across this problem.

1d. I ran into some trouble.

1e. He ran into criticism after remarks he made in a television interview.

 

2a. I had come across so many foreigners who have told me tales of the wonders of their own land.

2b. I've never come across anyone quite like her before.

2c. I came across / ran into a herd of sheep.

2d. I came across / ran into an old friend of mine.

In short, I'm still at loss for the exact rules that dictate the difference between the two phrasal verbs. Nevertheless, I sense that people don't use run into with either someone they meet the first time or insentient (physical) objects.

By the way, somehow I feel come across does not fit well with either 1d or 1e, but I cannot explain why.Embarrassed

  
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Avangi  #494041  Fri, 28 Mar 08 03:23 PM

"Regarding unexpectedness," I repeat a point I made earlier: I believe there's more of it in "ran into" than there is in "came across."  When you use the latter, you may well have been searching for exactly something of this nature, though perhaps not the specific item you "came across."  You may have been hoping to find something a little different, but you "came across" something which might suit your purpose.  There would be very little surprise about it.

"Guess whom I ran into this afternoon!"  At least in the mind of the speaker, both were completely surprised.

"Why isn't this job finished yet?"  "We ran into a big problem."  The workers and the boss fully expected the job would have been completed.

I don't think surprise is essential for the "ran into" use.  In Hoa's example 1e. (He ran into criticism after remarks he made in a television interview.) he may very well have expected criticism, and the usage would still be appropriate.  I believe opposition or surprise may be the the key ingredient.  "We really ran into a brick wall on this one!"  (We might even find both listed as separate meanings.)  When opposition is the key, substituting "came across" doesn't seem to work as well, as Hoa points out.  Still, you might say, "I came across / ran into  a problem / some trouble in the XYZ circuit while I was testing the ABC."  Trouble may or may not have been expected.

  
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Goodman  #494063  Fri, 28 Mar 08 04:07 PM

Well,  I will say this.  Wth either expression, I am sure people won’t question you what you exactly mean when you say “I came across / ran into something really spooky in the library when I was doing some studying late last night, I felt something across the table when there was no one there”.  Here, the context clearly suggested that something unexpected happened in your presence, and both expressions can comfortably fit into this context.

 

I think we are trying to whip up scenarios which either disprove or agree with the use of either one.  In my previous post, I expressed my scenario and I am sure some may be thinking hard to come up with a differring scenario.

Certain scenario with words such as “problems” and “situations” is more commonly tied to the expression “run into”.

 

“Come across/ upon” = find unexpectedly, as in "the archeologists chanced upon an old tomb"; "she struck a goldmine";  

 

In either case, they both contain a sense of unexpectancy. Did I just stumble on something!(:D) Big Smile

  
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Avangi  #494171  Sat, 29 Mar 08 12:18 AM

While searching one day for a fossil / I chanced on a bone quite colossal.  The author had a bit of good fortune.  You go to Vegas with the intention of winning.  I just don't think "discovered by accident" always fits.  (Winning a million dollar jackpot may be unexpected, as may going home flat broke.)

  
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