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Jenthecute  #201370  Mon, 27 Feb 06 07:13 AM

Make a phone call, if the service is available.

Do you think the comma is necessary here??

If it is, would that make any difference in the meaning?

thank you in advance! Smile [:)]

  
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Danyoo  #201402  Mon, 27 Feb 06 08:54 AM

Make a phone call, if the service is available.

I think it is better to have the comman in your sentence.  Usually a comma will not make a difference in the meaning of a sentence.  It just provides a convenient and natural place for a reader to take a little pause.  It makes the sentence flow better and easier to understand.

  
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Jenthecute  #201427  Mon, 27 Feb 06 10:48 AM

oh, i didn't think about it that way.

actually, i thought the comma was irritating sometimes. Smile [:)]

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Endi  #201434  Mon, 27 Feb 06 11:20 AM
Make a phone call, if the service is available.

This is  a conditional sentence, which is another way of saying it is a complex sentence.

Complex sentences have the form:
Conjunction x, y OR y conjunction x
"If" here is the conjunction.

The correct punctuation, therefore, would be:
If the service is available, make a phone call (with a comma); or
Make a phone call if the service is available (without a comma.)






  
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Danyoo  #201564  Mon, 27 Feb 06 07:46 PM

Endi, thanks for your valuable input.  I did some googling and found some additional info on this topic.

From  http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/lconjuncts.htm

When is a comma placed before a conjunction?

1.    When two simples sentences are joined together using a conjunction, it should be preceded by a comma.  (This is also covered in the lesson "Commas".)

Examples:
Our team was given 2 minutes' notice, but theirs had been training for weeks.
       ("Our team was given 2 minutes' notice." +  "Theirs had been training for weeks".
        These two sentences are merged into one using the conjunction "but".
        In this role, "but" should be preceded by a comma.)

I have spoken to Sarah, and she has confirmed the delivery date.
      ("I have spoken to Sarah." +  "She has confirmed the delivery date".
      The conjunction "and" should be preceded by a comma.)

I have spoken to Sarah, and confirmed the delivery date.
      ("I have spoken to Sarah." +  "confirmed the delivery date". The conjunction
      "and" should not be preceded by a comma in this example, because 
      "confirmed the delivery date" is not a sentence.  This is a list comprising two
      actions: "spoken to Sarah" and "confirmed the delivery date".)

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COMPOUND SENTENCE? 

A sentence made up of two simple sentences is called a "compound sentence".  The conjunction that joins the two halves of a compound sentence should be preceded by a comma.
I love milk.   (< normal sentence)
I cannot drink it when it is warm.(< normal sentence)
I love milk, but I cannot drink it when it is warm. (< compound)

Note the comma before "but".

  
Clive  #201599  Mon, 27 Feb 06 10:42 PM

Hi,

When two simples sentences are joined together using a conjunction, it should be preceded by a comma. This seems a little dogmatic to me. For example, when  both sentences are very short, I don't see that a comma is always necessary or desirable.

eg I love you and you love me.

I called you but you didn't answer the phone.

Best wishes, Clive

  
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Danyoo  #201641  Tue, 28 Feb 06 12:54 AM

Clive,

So is it the case of grammar rules changing and evolving over time? 

Or should one consider the source carefully when referencing these material?

  
Clive  #201687  Tue, 28 Feb 06 05:14 AM

Hi,

So is it the case of grammar rules changing and evolving over time?  Yes, I think there's a lot of truth in what you say here. Both language and its grammar do evolve. I think one example is sentence length. Generally speaking, today we favour simpler sentences, and I think the result is that the use of commas is reduced and simplified. These are generalizations, of course.

Or should one consider the source carefully when referencing these material? Well, you should always think about that. However, I don't mean to denigrate rules and the people who write about them, who I'm sure know a great deal more about technical grammar than I ever will.  Rules are very important and useful, particularly for English learners. But they're just rules, and should not be written as dogma.

Best wishes, Clive

  
Danyoo  #201726  Tue, 28 Feb 06 06:58 AM

Thanks Clive.  I see what you are saying.  Makes sense.  Smile [:)]

  
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