We have partnered with TradePub to bring you free industry magazines and resources - no coupons or credit cards required!

Visit: englishforums.tradepub.com


Share this topic:
This question is Not Answered
Latest post Sun, Sep 27 2009 10:04 AM by Anonymous. 7 replies.
Suggest an answer | | |
Anonymous  +  473586 Wed, 06 Feb 08 10:08 PM

Hi everybody.

I've written a document and the reviewer has indicated that I should have a comma before and after my brackets. For example: "another job (listed in TOAD) which is..." becomes "another job, (listed in TOAD), which is...".

Is this grammatically correct?

Thanks,

Gil

Clive  +  473592 Wed, 06 Feb 08 10:30 PM

Hi,

I've written a document and the reviewer has indicated that I should have a comma before and after my brackets. For example: "another job (listed in TOAD) which is..." becomes "another job, (listed in TOAD), which is...".

Is this grammatically correct?

It's a question of style rather than of grammar. I'd prefer to omit the commas, as it seems to me less disruptive to the readrer's eye and mind when reading the sentence. Commas represent brief pauses, and I think the reader will also naturally pause briefly at a bracket.

Best wishes, Clive

Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004
Canada
Veteran Member 29,600
El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo
Futurehuman11  +  473641 Thu, 07 Feb 08 02:24 AM

The brackets already show that the clause is parenthetical, so the commas are pointless. 

Joined on Sat, Dec 1 2007
Junior Member 78
Yoong Liat  +  473887 Thu, 07 Feb 08 02:14 PM
 Futurehuman11 wrote:

The brackets already show that the clause is parenthetical, so the commas are pointless. 

I agree.

To me, another job (listed in TOAD) which is... is correct (no commas are required.)

If you insert a comma after 'job' and after the outer bracket, you are inserting unnecessary punctuation marks.

For example, John, as well as Peter, is going to the movies is correct.

If you insert commas, the sentence becomes John, (as well as Peter), is going to the movies. (It is obvious from this sentence that commas shouldn't be inserted in the sentence posted by you.)

Joined on Mon, Sep 4 2006
Veteran Member 6,757
Anonymous, 1 yr 68 days ago
No, it is not correct. The reviewer is clearly not an English teacher and is what ias referred to as "comma happy." The use of parentheses is becoming passe. Usually in informal writiting using commas are accepted and appreciated. Your sentence should read, "Another job, listed in Toad," Regardless of the rest of the sentence, whatever TOAD is does not need to be marked off by parentheses.
 
Paul
Anonymous, 265 days ago
Hello,

There is no basis whatsoever for what the reviewer has told you.  Basically, what that person is suggesting is parenthesis within parenthesis, and that is not rational; what Clive says is correct in that the bracket carries with it the demarcating effect of the comma, except in that omitting the commas is not a matter of preference; one or other, but not both, may be present.  Commas are used mainly to disambiguate, with the incidental effect of giving the reader pause; but this latter is not their primary application, except perhaps in poetry.  Commas are used, in simplest terms, to make clear which clauses belong with which.  It is a popular misconception that they are simply rhythmic devices, although that effect does arise naturally from them. 

The issue is really whether, if a sentence has a clause that needs brackets, the closing bracket should be taken to completely supplant any comma.  Generally it should because the parenthetic effect of the bracket is absolute, except in the case of litany (lists) where (did you see that?) separate items, some of which may or may not include brackets, still need to have commas so that the sense of their being a list is preserved and, of course, to make clear where and to what the parentheses belong.  For example, "cats, dogs (small), parrots, fish, monkeys... " Without commas here, the reader will not know if we mean small dogs or small parrots.  

So, in the case at hand there are two possibilities: "another job (listed in TOAD) which is..." or "another job, listed in TOAD, which is..."  Notice that the commas or brackets have here the effect of making it understood that we are not talking exclusively about jobs listed in TOAD, merely remarking aside that the job in question happens to be listed there. 

Regards,

Nathon.

Anonymous, 98 days ago
Can you see the difference in meanings here? I like cars (powerful ones) as they tear along the road; I like cars (powerful ones), as they tear along the road.
Anonymous, 56 days ago

This was the best reply. 

© MediaCet Ltd. 2009, v5.0.3607.32596. All content posted by our users is a contribution to the public domain, this does not include imported usenet posts.*
For web related enquires please contact us on webmaster@mediacet.com, status updates are available at status.mediacet.com.
*Usenet post removal: Use 'X-No-Archive'. You may not have understood that your posts would end up in the public domain. Please send proof of the poster's email, we will remove immediately.